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Forgive me if this has been discussed in the past, but what is the
best way to measure the power consumption needed to charge ones
battery pack! I have a 220v charger! Thanks! Dan

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Dan Whitley wrote:
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> Forgive me if this has been discussed in the past, but what is the
> best way to measure the power consumption needed to charge ones
> battery pack! I have a 220v charger! Thanks! Dan

on a simmilar question, I need something like 'kill-a-watt' but for
200 volts... is there such a thing?

thanks.

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Try your electric company to see if they have some older meters they would be willing to sell.
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> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:21:04 -0400> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] power meter> >
Dan Whitley wrote:> > > > Forgive me if this has been discussed in the past, but what is the > > best way to measure the power consumption needed to charge ones > > battery pack! I have a 220v charger! Thanks! Dan> > on a simmilar question, I need something like 'kill-a-watt' but for> 200 volts... is there such a thing?> > thanks.> > -- > Eduardo K. | Darwin pone las reglas.> http://www.carfun.cl | Murphy, la oportunidad.> http://ev.nn.cl | > | Yo.> > _______________________________________________> For subscription options, see> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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> Try your electric company to see if they have some older meters they would be willing to sell.
>
Or go to Ebay and pick one up cheap.
I have 4 sitting on the shelf right now.

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Sure there are.
When I still lived in The Netherlands, I bought such a device
(it was German-made) in a local HW store.
I bought a second one and swapped its in-and output leads
to accumulate kWh measurements on my solar system.
I bought a third device for a US person that was going to
move to Afrika (IIRC) and wanted to educate about energy
conservation and solar and measure his own consumption on
a 50 Hz, 230V grid.
He sent me $50 in an envelope, I shipped him the meter and
his change. (This was before Paypal and Ebay were common)

This meter can measure up to 13A at 230V, about 3 kVA max.
Most EU circuits are fused at 16A, about 3.7 kVA.

The same meter I bought back then is still being sold, only
the name has changed to Energy Check 3000.
This is actually part of a family of energy cost monitoring
products, the top-end can store and download consumption
info into your computer via USB, the two lower cost models are
stand-alone meters: Energy Monitor and Energy Check.
Starting from 25 Euro. I noticed the USB model on sale in the
Dutch site (80 Euro iso 100).
You can find them by going to Conrad: http://www.conrad.com
click on international and then enter the search phrase:
"Energy 3000".
You will need to call the International Sales team to get a
shipping quote, only the EU countries are listed with fixed
quotes.
Note that it is custom in the EU for consumer goods to be
listed with tax included (required by law) so the 19% tax will
be deducted when shipping international.
Success,

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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] power meter

Dan Whitley wrote:
>
> Forgive me if this has been discussed in the past, but what is the
> best way to measure the power consumption needed to charge ones
> battery pack! I have a 220v charger! Thanks! Dan

on a simmilar question, I need something like 'kill-a-watt' but for 200 volts... is there such a thing?

thanks.

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I just ran across this one.

http://www.energymonitor.com/

It looks promising if a bit expensive.

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> You can find them by going to Conrad: http://www.conrad.com
> click on international and then enter the search phrase:
> "Energy 3000".

perfect. thanks!


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Will this work in the US? Dan


Eduardo Kaftanski wrote:

>> You can find them by going to Conrad: http://www.conrad.com
>> click on international and then enter the search phrase:
>> "Energy 3000".
>
> perfect. thanks!
>
>
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I do not know, as these power meters are designed to work
on 230V AC. They may work fine on 240V 60 Hz though.


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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] power meter

Will this work in the US? Dan


Eduardo Kaftanski wrote:

>> You can find them by going to Conrad: http://www.conrad.com click on
>> international and then enter the search phrase:
>> "Energy 3000".
>
> perfect. thanks!
>
>
> --
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Standard power meters for a home are normally rated for 230 to 250 vac 60
hz. The meter motor may work on one of the 120 vac lines. To make the
motor work only on 120 vac, you must go to correct top feed lugs, which may
be Line 1 or Line 2 and the neutral bar to the neutral wire.

I do not remember which lug, but you can ask the meter shop at the power
company how to do this. Sometimes you have to jump the top lugs and then
come off the correct bottom lugs.

If you are using this type of meter down stream from a circuit breaker
panel, disconnect the grounding tie bar that connects to the solid neutral
bar to the solid ground bar that should be to the right side. Connect only
the incoming and outgoing ground wires to this ground bar.

In a service entrance the first switch and or meter base has this inter tied
bar which the neutral and ground is tie together. From that point on, the
neutral and grounds are then kept separate forming either a 240 volt 4 wire
circuit, or a 120 volt 3 wire circuit.

When reading a meter that has the five separate dials, you read from right
to left, where the right one is the kilowatt hour in 10 segments. When this
right dial makes one revolution, the next one to the left of it proceeds to
the number 1. It takes the far right dial to turn 100 times to make the
next left dial turn to the number 1 and so on.

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] power meter


> I do not know, as these power meters are designed to work
> on 230V AC. They may work fine on 240V 60 Hz though.
>
>
> Cor van de Water
> Systems Architect
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> Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [email protected]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Dan Whitley
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:10 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] power meter
>
> Will this work in the US? Dan
>
>
>
Eduardo Kaftanski wrote:
>
> >> You can find them by going to Conrad: http://www.conrad.com click on
> >> international and then enter the search phrase:
> >> "Energy 3000".
> >
> > perfect. thanks!
> >
> >
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I'm still looking for a power meter.

I am familiar with the paktrkr www.*paktrakr*.com/, link 10,www.*xantrex*
.com and bogart engineering. www.*bogart**engineering*.com/
However none of those do what I want. They only measure DC.

I have a house meter that does analog measurement of the AC kwatt hours used
to charging the vehicle. I'm looking for a way of measuring it with an
rs232 for data capture with a laptop.

The watt's up meter www.doubleed.com/ has an rs232 but that is the after the
fact thing, and it has a 20 amp limit.

There is the T.E.D. device | www.theenergydetective.com | that uses two
split core transducers, but the tech wasn't sure if the RS232 would work.

what about these split core transducers
http://www.split-core.com/
, but to get to a rs232 databox.
I need a 0-10vdc signal, that would work with this guy here:
http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di194rs.htm
and I'm not sure what comes out of the transducer.

Does anyone recommend something else?

Perhaps there's an inexpensive clamp meter that has an RS232 port....

any ideas?
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Look at Triplett meters at www.triplett.com

The Triplett models 2101, 2102 and 2103 has a RS-232 interface to a IBM
compatible PC and a Mac with Microsoft Windows Operating System.

It comes with a 3-1/2 disks and you can write you own BASIC program to get a
reading from the meter.

You can also plug in AC Current Clamp-On for measuring AC current up to
400A - Triplett #60-573 that connects to these meters.

A local computer, electronics repair and supply store may sell these type of
meters. I bought the whole works that comes in a case for about $150.00
about four years ago.

Roland


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To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: [EVDL] power meter


> I'm still looking for a power meter.
>
> I am familiar with the paktrkr www.*paktrakr*.com/, link 10,www.*xantrex*
> .com and bogart engineering. www.*bogart**engineering*.com/
> However none of those do what I want. They only measure DC.
>
> I have a house meter that does analog measurement of the AC kwatt hours
> used
> to charging the vehicle. I'm looking for a way of measuring it with an
> rs232 for data capture with a laptop.
>
> The watt's up meter www.doubleed.com/ has an rs232 but that is the after
> the
> fact thing, and it has a 20 amp limit.
>
> There is the T.E.D. device | www.theenergydetective.com | that uses two
> split core transducers, but the tech wasn't sure if the RS232 would work.
>
> what about these split core transducers
> http://www.split-core.com/
> , but to get to a rs232 databox.
> I need a 0-10vdc signal, that would work with this guy here:
> http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di194rs.htm
> and I'm not sure what comes out of the transducer.
>
> Does anyone recommend something else?
>
> Perhaps there's an inexpensive clamp meter that has an RS232 port....
>
> any ideas?
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My TED's have a USB port on the side for data capture -- I only got
them installed last weekend, so I haven't had time to play around with
the computer connection yet, though. Installing the TED was amazingly
fast though -- took me about an hour to install and set up two of them
on my house (one for the house usage, one for the PV system).

Z

Roland Wiench <[email protected]> wrote:
> Look at Triplett meters at www.triplett.com
>
> The Triplett models 2101, 2102 and 2103 has a RS-232 interface to a IBM
> compatible PC and a Mac with Microsoft Windows Operating System.
>
> It comes with a 3-1/2 disks and you can write you own BASIC program to get a
> reading from the meter.
>
> You can also plug in AC Current Clamp-On for measuring AC current up to
> 400A - Triplett #60-573 that connects to these meters.
>
> A local computer, electronics repair and supply store may sell these type of
> meters. I bought the whole works that comes in a case for about $150.00
> about four years ago.
>
> Roland
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "m gol" <[email protected]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:35 PM
> Subject: [EVDL] power meter
>
>
> > I'm still looking for a power meter.
> >
> > I am familiar with the paktrkr www.*paktrakr*.com/, link 10,www.*xantrex*
> > .com and bogart engineering. www.*bogart**engineering*.com/
> > However none of those do what I want. They only measure DC.
> >
> > I have a house meter that does analog measurement of the AC kwatt hours
> > used
> > to charging the vehicle. I'm looking for a way of measuring it with an
> > rs232 for data capture with a laptop.
> >
> > The watt's up meter www.doubleed.com/ has an rs232 but that is the after
> > the
> > fact thing, and it has a 20 amp limit.
> >
> > There is the T.E.D. device | www.theenergydetective.com | that uses two
> > split core transducers, but the tech wasn't sure if the RS232 would work.
> >
> > what about these split core transducers
> > http://www.split-core.com/
> > , but to get to a rs232 databox.
> > I need a 0-10vdc signal, that would work with this guy here:
> > http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di194rs.htm
> > and I'm not sure what comes out of the transducer.
> >
> > Does anyone recommend something else?
> >
> > Perhaps there's an inexpensive clamp meter that has an RS232 port....
> >
> > any ideas?
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Does TED = The Energy Detective?

<http://www.theenergydetective.com/index.html>


Zeke Yewdall wrote:

> My TED's have a USB port on the side for data capture -- I only got
> them installed last weekend, so I haven't had time to play around with
> the computer connection yet, though. Installing the TED was amazingly
> fast though -- took me about an hour to install and set up two of them
> on my house (one for the house usage, one for the PV system).
>
> Z
>
> On Jan 10, 2008 6:12 PM, Roland Wiench <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Look at Triplett meters at www.triplett.com
>>
>> The Triplett models 2101, 2102 and 2103 has a RS-232 interface to a
>> IBM
>> compatible PC and a Mac with Microsoft Windows Operating System.
>>
>> It comes with a 3-1/2 disks and you can write you own BASIC program
>> to get a
>> reading from the meter.
>>
>> You can also plug in AC Current Clamp-On for measuring AC current up
>> to
>> 400A - Triplett #60-573 that connects to these meters.
>>
>> A local computer, electronics repair and supply store may sell these
>> type of
>> meters. I bought the whole works that comes in a case for about
>> $150.00
>> about four years ago.
>>
>> Roland
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "m gol" <[email protected]>
>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:35 PM
>> Subject: [EVDL] power meter
>>
>>
>>> I'm still looking for a power meter.
>>>
>>> I am familiar with the paktrkr www.*paktrakr*.com/, link
>>> 10,www.*xantrex*
>>> .com and bogart engineering. www.*bogart**engineering*.com/
>>> However none of those do what I want. They only measure DC.
>>>
>>> I have a house meter that does analog measurement of the AC kwatt
>>> hours
>>> used
>>> to charging the vehicle. I'm looking for a way of measuring it with
>>> an
>>> rs232 for data capture with a laptop.
>>>
>>> The watt's up meter www.doubleed.com/ has an rs232 but that is the
>>> after
>>> the
>>> fact thing, and it has a 20 amp limit.
>>>
>>> There is the T.E.D. device | www.theenergydetective.com | that uses
>>> two
>>> split core transducers, but the tech wasn't sure if the RS232 would
>>> work.
>>>
>>> what about these split core transducers
>>> http://www.split-core.com/
>>> , but to get to a rs232 databox.
>>> I need a 0-10vdc signal, that would work with this guy here:
>>> http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di194rs.htm
>>> and I'm not sure what comes out of the transducer.
>>>
>>> Does anyone recommend something else?
>>>
>>> Perhaps there's an inexpensive clamp meter that has an RS232 port....
>>>
>>> any ideas?
>>> _______________________________________________
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yes

Doug Weathers <[email protected]> wrote:

> Does TED = The Energy Detective?
>
> <http://www.theenergydetective.com/index.html>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
> > My TED's have a USB port on the side for data capture -- I only got
> > them installed last weekend, so I haven't had time to play around with
> > the computer connection yet, though. Installing the TED was amazingly
> > fast though -- took me about an hour to install and set up two of them
> > on my house (one for the house usage, one for the PV system).
> >
> > Z
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2008 6:12 PM, Roland Wiench <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Look at Triplett meters at www.triplett.com
> >>
> >> The Triplett models 2101, 2102 and 2103 has a RS-232 interface to a
> >> IBM
> >> compatible PC and a Mac with Microsoft Windows Operating System.
> >>
> >> It comes with a 3-1/2 disks and you can write you own BASIC program
> >> to get a
> >> reading from the meter.
> >>
> >> You can also plug in AC Current Clamp-On for measuring AC current up
> >> to
> >> 400A - Triplett #60-573 that connects to these meters.
> >>
> >> A local computer, electronics repair and supply store may sell these
> >> type of
> >> meters. I bought the whole works that comes in a case for about
> >> $150.00
> >> about four years ago.
> >>
> >> Roland
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "m gol" <[email protected]>
> >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:35 PM
> >> Subject: [EVDL] power meter
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'm still looking for a power meter.
> >>>
> >>> I am familiar with the paktrkr www.*paktrakr*.com/, link
> >>> 10,www.*xantrex*
> >>> .com and bogart engineering. www.*bogart**engineering*.com/
> >>> However none of those do what I want. They only measure DC.
> >>>
> >>> I have a house meter that does analog measurement of the AC kwatt
> >>> hours
> >>> used
> >>> to charging the vehicle. I'm looking for a way of measuring it with
> >>> an
> >>> rs232 for data capture with a laptop.
> >>>
> >>> The watt's up meter www.doubleed.com/ has an rs232 but that is the
> >>> after
> >>> the
> >>> fact thing, and it has a 20 amp limit.
> >>>
> >>> There is the T.E.D. device | www.theenergydetective.com | that uses
> >>> two
> >>> split core transducers, but the tech wasn't sure if the RS232 would
> >>> work.
> >>>
> >>> what about these split core transducers
> >>> http://www.split-core.com/
> >>> , but to get to a rs232 databox.
> >>> I need a 0-10vdc signal, that would work with this guy here:
> >>> http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di194rs.htm
> >>> and I'm not sure what comes out of the transducer.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone recommend something else?
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps there's an inexpensive clamp meter that has an RS232 port....
> >>>
> >>> any ideas?
> >>> _______________________________________________
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