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I strongly URGE any one reading this message, who has a Log-In and Pass
Word to NPR, to give this Andria the "What For"

Her comment on " I'm also going to have to think about how I use my
radio, heater and wipers because they can all run a battery down pretty
quickly." ( What a Crock)

In all fairness, Maybe..the Air Conditioning, or the HEATER maybe... a
little loss in Range.

But this is just another case of a reporter not knowing the facts, or
the NISSAN guy riding long side of her NOT seting her straight on power
usage...

Listen to the 4 minute report and then Call or Write her editors..

John Paramore wrote:

> Here's a toy for you Steve. This was up as the first of a three-part on
> NPR's Morning Edition. You can read, or click on the speaker button
> above the Leaf Photo to listen.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130362812
>
> Hard to have an opinion here because when you know a little about EV
> applications the reporter comes off as downright silly, but looking at
> her in a different way she represents an awful lot of potential buyers
> who'll get wadded panties over imagined shortcomings without being able
> to see the answers or the realities that show 200 or more miles of
> range is rarely needed.
>
> John
>
>

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Steven Lough wrote:
> I strongly URGE any one reading this message, who has a Log-In and Pass
> Word to NPR, to give this Andria the "What For"
>
> Her comment on " I'm also going to have to think about how I use my
> radio, heater and wipers because they can all run a battery down pretty
> quickly." ( What a Crock)

I happened to catch most of that broadcast and I did notice the
inaccuracy about radio and wipers. However, I thought the report was
pretty good overall. I agree she should be corrected on the 12v power;
were there other inaccuracies?

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I think it could have been a little more positive, but a reporters job
is to stay objective. This is exactly how a non-EV-enthusiast would
perceive this car. Range anxiety is a very real obstacle to the
electric car. Most people will buy it as their second car. However,
I think long term experience would prove that it becomes their FIRST
car, and the ICE becomes their second car. Also, as more and more
charge stations become reality, range anxiety will become less and
less of a factor.


Steven Lough wrote:

> I strongly URGE any one reading this message, who has a Log-In and
> Pass
> Word to NPR, to give this Andria the "What For"
>
> Her comment on " I'm also going to have to think about how I use my
> radio, heater and wipers because they can all run a battery down
> pretty
> quickly." ( What a Crock)
>
> In all fairness, Maybe..the Air Conditioning, or the HEATER
> maybe... a
> little loss in Range.
>
> But this is just another case of a reporter not knowing the facts, or
> the NISSAN guy riding long side of her NOT seting her straight on
> power
> usage...
>
> Listen to the 4 minute report and then Call or Write her editors..
>
> John Paramore wrote:
>
>> Here's a toy for you Steve. This was up as the first of a three-
>> part on
>> NPR's Morning Edition. You can read, or click on the speaker button
>> above the Leaf Photo to listen.
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130362812
>>
>> Hard to have an opinion here because when you know a little about EV
>> applications the reporter comes off as downright silly, but
>> looking at
>> her in a different way she represents an awful lot of potential
>> buyers
>> who'll get wadded panties over imagined shortcomings without being
>> able
>> to see the answers or the realities that show 200 or more miles of
>> range is rarely needed.
>>
>> John
>>




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Charging stations combined with battery chemistries that prefer to be
full all the time make opportunity charging (charging whenever and
wherever there's a plug) a reality, and that eliminates range anxiety
for 80% of a US driver's daily needs (80% of US drives 50 miles or less
a day).


http://illinoisev.googlegroups.com/web/PersonalVehicleMilesDrivenDaily.j
pg

And you've hit the buying pattern right on the head -- first bought as a
second car, becomes first car, and then perhaps only car: keep the ICE
on ice for the weekends/long trips, or better yet, sell it and rent the
biggest baddest Mustang for vacay whenever you want.

My second car is a 1991 Camry (33 MPG). Usually it's gets infinite MPG
as it sits still all month. Now to get the wife out of her Prius and
into something that doesn't guzzle gas.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Roger Heuckeroth
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:39 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Re Leaf-Test ON NPR Radio - mis-information

I think it could have been a little more positive, but a reporters job
is to stay objective. This is exactly how a non-EV-enthusiast would
perceive this car. Range anxiety is a very real obstacle to the
electric car. Most people will buy it as their second car. However,
I think long term experience would prove that it becomes their FIRST
car, and the ICE becomes their second car. Also, as more and more
charge stations become reality, range anxiety will become less and
less of a factor.


Steven Lough wrote:

> I strongly URGE any one reading this message, who has a Log-In and
> Pass
> Word to NPR, to give this Andria the "What For"
>
> Her comment on " I'm also going to have to think about how I use my
> radio, heater and wipers because they can all run a battery down
> pretty
> quickly." ( What a Crock)
>
> In all fairness, Maybe..the Air Conditioning, or the HEATER
> maybe... a
> little loss in Range.
>
> But this is just another case of a reporter not knowing the facts, or
> the NISSAN guy riding long side of her NOT seting her straight on
> power
> usage...
>
> Listen to the 4 minute report and then Call or Write her editors..
>
> John Paramore wrote:
>
>> Here's a toy for you Steve. This was up as the first of a three-
>> part on
>> NPR's Morning Edition. You can read, or click on the speaker button
>> above the Leaf Photo to listen.
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130362812
>>
>> Hard to have an opinion here because when you know a little about EV
>> applications the reporter comes off as downright silly, but
>> looking at
>> her in a different way she represents an awful lot of potential
>> buyers
>> who'll get wadded panties over imagined shortcomings without being
>> able
>> to see the answers or the realities that show 200 or more miles of
>> range is rarely needed.
>>
>> John
>>




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On 12 Oct 2010 at 9:39, Roger Heuckeroth wrote:

> I think it could have been a little more positive, but a reporters job
> is to stay objective.

And a reporter's job is to ASK, not ASSUME. She should have said to a
Nissan tech, "Will the radio and wipers drain the battery much faster?"

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EVDL Administrator wrote:

> On 12 Oct 2010 at 9:39, Roger Heuckeroth wrote:
>
>> I think it could have been a little more positive, but a reporters
>> job
>> is to stay objective.
>
> And a reporter's job is to ASK, not ASSUME. She should have said to a
> Nissan tech, "Will the radio and wipers drain the battery much
> faster?"

Maybe she did, and got an answer that was not clear. Like

Q. Does using the Radio, wipers, or heater reduce my range?
A. Yes, it does.

She obviously wasn't coming at this from a technical point of view.
She started out saying something like my Honda's on its last legs, and
I don't know the difference between an oil filter and an air filter...
something like that.

I once had a reporter interview me. It was obvious she was having a
hard time grasping the technical issues. I cringed when I saw the
article. She really did not get it, but I thought I was very clear
and tried to talk at her level. It happens...

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The etiquette for publishing articles used to be
that you as interviewee could see the draft
before it was published, so glaring or annoying
or other details that you object to can and should
be corrected or removed.
It seems that in the haste of fulfilling deadlines
and other pressure that review cycle has been
done away with, to the detriment of the quality.

Or did you get a chance to re-write the article's
mistakes before it was published?

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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:53 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Re Leaf-Test ON NPR Radio - mis-information


EVDL Administrator wrote:

> On 12 Oct 2010 at 9:39, Roger Heuckeroth wrote:
>
>> I think it could have been a little more positive, but a reporters
>> job is to stay objective.
>
> And a reporter's job is to ASK, not ASSUME. She should have said to a

> Nissan tech, "Will the radio and wipers drain the battery much
> faster?"

Maybe she did, and got an answer that was not clear. Like

Q. Does using the Radio, wipers, or heater reduce my range?
A. Yes, it does.

She obviously wasn't coming at this from a technical point of view.
She started out saying something like my Honda's on its last legs, and I
don't know the difference between an oil filter and an air filter...
something like that.

I once had a reporter interview me. It was obvious she was having a
hard time grasping the technical issues. I cringed when I saw the
article. She really did not get it, but I thought I was very clear and
tried to talk at her level. It happens...

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