Hunter Cook wrote:
>
> > They're bad.
> >
> > On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 23:15 +0000, Dave Davidson wrote:
> >> What about methane emissions from your unicycle's power plant after
> >> refueling at Taco Bell? 8^)
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>> From: Hunter Cook <
[email protected]>
> >>> Reply-To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <
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> >>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <
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> >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sensors at drive throughs
> >>> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:21:00 -0500
> >>>
> >>> Roland-
> >>>
> >>> I can eat about 2 tacos per mile in the EV. More on the unicycle,
> >>> less
> >>> in my ICE car.
> >>>
> >>> Hope that helps...
> >>>
> >>> Hunter
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 08:03 -0600, Roland Wiench wrote:
> >>>> Oh no, that is another calculation that has to make to run a
> >>>> vehicle.
> >>> How
> >>>> many taco's does it take to go a mile?
> >>>>
> >>>> To power a EV from a coal generation plant, the total cost should be
> >>> use.
> >>>> The energy to mine the ore to make the steel, to make the steel
> >>>> plants,
> >>> to
> >>>> make the machines to mine the coal, the delivery of the coal, the
> >>> building
> >>>> of the power plant, the delivery of the energy and then the cost of
> >>>> the
> >>>> energy.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not use any of that except for the delivery and cost of the
> >>>> energy.
> >>> A
> >>>> lot of people ask me how my EV works. I tell them it runs on solar
> >>> energy
> >>>> and gravity, which is the indirect energy that runs the five hydro
> >>>> dams
> >>> we
> >>>> have here in Great Falls, Montana.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roland
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Hunter Cook" <
[email protected]>
> >>>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:10 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sensors at drive throughs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> So I went back to that same Taco Bueno this morning for breakfast
> >>>>> on
> >>> my
> >>>>> unicycle. (It's really the only fast food in unicycle range, or the
> >>>>> range of my current EV, for that matter) This time I looked for the
> >>> cuts
> >>>>> in the concrete. They looked like very small versions of the simple
> >>> (not
> >>>>> quadrupole) induction loops. By very small I mean about 1'x3',
> >>>>> whereas
> >>> I
> >>>>> think I read DOT spec was 60' long!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, according to the article I linked below the small loops
> >>>>> should
> >>>>> be able to detect much smaller conductors. In fact, I'm pretty
> >>>>> sure it
> >>>>> detected my unicycle; I was standing outside the pickup window (not
> >>> the
> >>>>> order window...there were loops both places) where I could hear
> >>> inside,
> >>>>> and when I rolled the wheel on the pavement cuts I could hear
> >>>>> beeping
> >>>>> inside. Could have just been a coincidence with a fryer going off
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> something, but I did it a few times and I think the guy got
> >>>>> annoyed by
> >>>>> it. Next time for a better test I'll ride up to the order window
> >>> (where
> >>>>> they can't see me) and just roll the wheel around instead of
> >>>>> pushing
> >>> the
> >>>>> button and see if they notice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Obviously, different restaraunts may have totally different setups.
> >>> Your
> >>>>> Whr/mi may vary.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hunter
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 05:57 -0500, Hunter Cook wrote:
> >>>>>> Wow. Cool thread.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I should note that Taco Bueno had no trouble detecting my EV last
> >>> night.
> >>>>>> On the other hand, it wouldn't have mattered much, as in addition
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> whatever sensor they have there, they also have a pushbutton,
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>> comes in very handy when I'm on the unicycle.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I always just figured they had some sort of weight sensor. But
> >>>>>> then,
> >>>>>> that's also what I figured the traffic-light loop sensors were,
> >>> which
> >>>>>> clearly is wrong, as Morgan's links suggest. A quick search turned
> >>> up
> >>>>>> this abstract:
> >>>>>>
> >>> http://www.humantransport.org/bicycledriving/library/signals/
> >>> detection.htm
> >>>>>> which goes into somewhat more detail, and has specific
> >>> recommendations
> >>>>>> for bycicles. Apparently the loops are supposed to be able to
> >>>>>> detect
> >>>>>> anything metal of high enough mass.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So...they ought to detect an EV. I would be darn surprised if a
> >>>>>> fast
> >>>>>> food joint was really expecting their drive-through employees to
> >>> listen
> >>>>>> for engine sounds. Almost as surprised as if they were using RF to
> >>>>>> detect spark plugs going off ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hunter
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 04:24 -0500, Morgan LaMoore wrote:
> >>>>>>> I just found this info; I'm guessing drive-thru sensors are
> >>> similar to
> >>>>>>> traffic light sensors:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.dot.state.sc.us/getting/signals/loopdet.shtml
> >>>>>>> http://www.dot.state.sc.us/getting/signals/looptips.shtml
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Morgan LaMoore
> >>>>>>>
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