[EVDL] Should the EVDL be used to pitch an EV business to investors?

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Discussion Starter · Sep 17, 2010

I'm interested in your views on whether this is an appropriate use of the
list.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's not as if this were rampant. I think we've
had a couple of the overunity and magnetic motor crowd show up in the last
few years, though I don't recall now how overt their pitches were (and I'm
too lazy right now to look it up in the archive ;-).

A few years ago, some members advocated sending contributions to Lee Hart,
to be used for developing a kit car based on the Solectria Sunrise. If I'm
not mistaken, this funding idea didn't originate with Lee himself, but
rather with another list member.

I think some similar suggestions were made with regard to Jerry Dycus's
Freedom EV project. I recall that at least one list member did invest in
that enterprise. (Again, I haven't confirmed this in the archive, so my
apologies if my memory is fading.)

More recently we've had a "testing of the waters" by someone vaguely
inquiring about who would be interested in supporting a (nonprofit?) EV
venture to the tune of $5 a month.

And someone else has promoted a business which would train EV mechanics,
sometimes suggesting that big profits might be in it for investors.

Understand, I'm not passing judgement on the merits of any of these efforts.
I'm just asking whether the EVDL should be a medium for their and others'
attempts to recruit investors.

Should pitching investment in EV ventures be part of the conversation on the
EVDL? If not, why not? If so, why? Do you think we should impose any
limitations on it? Under what circumstances is it OK, and when it is not
OK?

Please email me your thoughts, using my OFFLIST address (instructions
below). Don't just hit reply; email me privately, please. I'm looking for
your own thoughts, without any influence from others'.

Thanks.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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Discussion Starter · #2 · Sep 17, 2010

Knowing history can help to prevent a repeat of past issues ... in that
light:
If I may bring to the table some ancient EVDL history (Gawd, sounds like
remembering what happened at the Alamo), in the past there was a regular
stream of noobs that would post what-if-scenarios, polls, and
business-proposition-inquiries to the EVDL. Many of these post's use of EVDL
bandwidth never came to fruition or were mainly fodder for a student's
thesis (it was never going to go anywhere to begin with). Since
(way-back-then) there were sooo many of these, EVDL members suggested these
could be made as a single post stating where to go (a website off-line of
the EVDL) to enter such discussions, answer poll questions, etc.

My personal opinion is the EVDL is a forum for new ideas, concepts, ventures
promoting EV use. To block these would be contrary to promoting getting more
EVs on the road. At the same time, excessive amounts of these would be like
spam. Therefore a judgement-call would have to be made to define
excessive-amount (twice a week, month ... ?)
... (my two-pence worth)
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Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 19, 2010

No.
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Discussion Starter · #4 · Sep 19, 2010

Gentlemen, and Ladies of the EVDL,
Any regular reader of this list will recognize me. Mine is the EV
Mechanic's
Technical School. And yes I am always "seeking Investors," However I make an
effort to not be obnoxious about it. My advertising is on my own web page,
and I list the address in my signature, like
this:______________________________
*> Regards,
> Dennis Lee Miles (Director) E.V.T.I. inc.
> www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM (Adviser) EVTI-EVA Education
Chapter
> Phone (863) 944 - 9913
> It=92s estimated that the existing U.S. electrical
grid has sufficient capacity
> to fully fuel three-quarters of the nation=92s 217
million passenger vehicles*

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And I will discuss the merits of my training with anyone, I am
FIRST a supporter of the advancement of Electric Vehicles, and that is why I
am here. I offer advice when I am sure I know the RIGHT answer and that is
often more than once a day. (and when I am wrong, others correct me and I
learn from that.) I do not ask to be paid for advice freely given as I have
stated in the past.
Ocasionally someone will question me "on list" and I usually
reply to those inquiries "on list" so as not to leave the thread dangling,
then continue the discussion "off list" My longest reply has only been 150
words (more-or-less) "on list".If you ask me "off list" I might drop a
1,500 to 3,000 word reply to you. I am very enthusiastic about EV Tech
training, I often talk for an hour on the phone about the NEED and the BEST
way to teach it and learn it.
To summarize, I limit myself to short replies and a line in my
"Signature" in fact I shorten my signature block on multiple messages in the
same thread also. I make a sincere effort to be polite, ( Get in my face and
you will find yourself on the ground with my knee in the small of your
back.) I agree with Bruce, whom I quote below ! (No individual should HOG
the list with 500 word diatribes or lists of more than one Craig's listing,
We can all read it for ourselves, (I do not live in California, there are
many jobs in Florida too.) The references to other web sites or information
is often very informative, I appreciate them too. You could correctly say I
think the (EVDL) is OK and David and the other volunteers do an excellent
job of helping us remember to be POLITE!. This message is long enough, you
have heard my silver dollar's worth...
* Regards,
Dennis Lee Miles *

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brucedp <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Knowing history can help to prevent a repeat of past issues ... in that
> light:
> My personal opinion is the EVDL is a forum for new ideas, concepts,
> ventures
> promoting EV use. To block these would be contrary to promoting getting
> more
> EVs on the road. At the same time, excessive amounts of these would be li=
ke
> spam. Therefore a judgement-call would have to be made to define
> excessive-amount (twice a week, month ... ?)
> ... (my two-pence worth)
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