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Can't believe how this story has such "legs" as they say..

It made it to every TV station in Seattle.

I have tried to reply to every BLOG where this article has popped up,
with the following comments:

Let's be real here. A Lexus, or a Cadilac, or even a new Toyota Yarus,
or any new car with a functioning exhaust system, is just as quiet as a
Hybrid, turning a corner, or moving round in a parking lot, or driving
at low speeds !! So why don't these groups go after the careless
Drivers, instead of DiSSING the Cars !! Or was this whole thing DREAMED
up in a back room in Detroit ! ??
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I found one site that explained the test.

PBS station: Some blind (and blindfolded) testers were placed in a parking
lot. Hybrids were driven past them and some testers remarked, "What car?"

At what speed does the ICE kick on when driving hybrid cars? Isn't that
around 10MPH? In this test, apparently, the cars rolled past at about 3 to
5MPH, a speed where tire noise is not significant, and (possibly) the ICE
didn't kick in?

It seems (to me) to be a non-important issue catching a lot of attention. At
5-10 MPH, there's not much danger in a driver not being able to stop. At
dangerous speeds (stand beside any road) you will hear, at very least, the
tires.

BTW, the danger often pointed out is cross walks. I would wonder how a blind
person knows it is safe to cross a road. The *only* recent intersection I
found with beepers was in Boston... and that was just one intersection out
of hundreds we crossed.

The danger, as pointed out by the article, is in crossing parking lots. In
that case, there is a danger for us all... sighted or not.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Lough" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Silent Vehicles Let's get REAL


> Can't believe how this story has such "legs" as they say..
>
> It made it to every TV station in Seattle.
>
> I have tried to reply to every BLOG where this article has popped up,
> with the following comments:
>
> Let's be real here. A Lexus, or a Cadilac, or even a new Toyota Yarus,
> or any new car with a functioning exhaust system, is just as quiet as a
> Hybrid, turning a corner, or moving round in a parking lot, or driving
> at low speeds !! So why don't these groups go after the careless
> Drivers, instead of DiSSING the Cars !! Or was this whole thing DREAMED
> up in a back room in Detroit ! ??
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.

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How do blind cross a road safely? Simple. Follow the law:

- hold the cane up while standing at the edge of the road
- if no vehicle is approaching, cross like any other
pedestrian.
Since a crossing pedestrian in the street should cause cars to
stop anyways if they are driving up, the blind has that same
right and is more protected by law via the use of his cane.

Of course, blind prefer to cross in a crosswalk at an intersection,
but this is not automatically safer, only if they can determine
when they get "green" (white in USA).
So, it may be actually safer if the traffic lights have no beeper
or clicker, to cross where there are no traffic lights, so you
can expect the drivers to look out for other traffic iso
just concentrate on their green light.

I have a blind friend, he tells me that is gripe is not about
silent cars (mostly the blindfolded seeing people can't hear,
the real blind have amazing hearing) but his problem is with
cars pulling up or rolling into the crosswalk.
Therefor, when he lowers his cane and starts walking, he
continues to wave his cane not only left and right, but also
up and down.
When it smacks into a hood, he continues to tap the hood
until the driver gets the message and backs up out of the
crosswalk.
My EV nor my Hybrid is a problem for him.
Also because I concentrate on driving and LOOK for traffic
including bicyclists and pedestrians.
...it takes two to tango....

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Perry
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:31 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Silent Vehicles Let's get REAL

I found one site that explained the test.

PBS station: Some blind (and blindfolded) testers were placed in a parking lot. Hybrids were driven past them and some testers remarked, "What car?"

At what speed does the ICE kick on when driving hybrid cars? Isn't that around 10MPH? In this test, apparently, the cars rolled past at about 3 to 5MPH, a speed where tire noise is not significant, and (possibly) the ICE didn't kick in?

It seems (to me) to be a non-important issue catching a lot of attention. At 5-10 MPH, there's not much danger in a driver not being able to stop. At dangerous speeds (stand beside any road) you will hear, at very least, the tires.

BTW, the danger often pointed out is cross walks. I would wonder how a blind person knows it is safe to cross a road. The *only* recent intersection I found with beepers was in Boston... and that was just one intersection out of hundreds we crossed.

The danger, as pointed out by the article, is in crossing parking lots. In that case, there is a danger for us all... sighted or not.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Lough" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Silent Vehicles Let's get REAL


> Can't believe how this story has such "legs" as they say..
>
> It made it to every TV station in Seattle.
>
> I have tried to reply to every BLOG where this article has popped up,
> with the following comments:
>
> Let's be real here. A Lexus, or a Cadilac, or even a new Toyota Yarus,
> or any new car with a functioning exhaust system, is just as quiet as a
> Hybrid, turning a corner, or moving round in a parking lot, or driving
> at low speeds !! So why don't these groups go after the careless
> Drivers, instead of DiSSING the Cars !! Or was this whole thing DREAMED
> up in a back room in Detroit ! ??
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.

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