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Ten years ago today, on the 23 Oct 1997, the Solectria Sunrise was driven
217 miles from Boston to New York city on a single charge.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03EFDD113EF937A15753C1A961958260
http://www.evdl.org/pages/boston_ny.html

Its quite interesting to type Solectria into the New York Times' search
engine. They have an archive available going back to 1851.
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From: "Tom Parker" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Solectria Sunrise Boston - NYC 10 year anniversary


> Ten years ago today, on the 23 Oct 1997, the Solectria Sunrise was driven
> 217 miles from Boston to New York city on a single charge.
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> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03EFDD113EF937A15753C1A961958260
> http://www.evdl.org/pages/boston_ny.html
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> Its quite interesting to type Solectria into the New York Times' search
> engine. They have an archive available going back to 1851.

And I was THERE! They took a route through CT, I called Solectria and
found out their route. No escape ya HAVE to pass through Corrupticut. So
they were gunna do a "rest Stop" at Exit 63 on I-84, do show and tell. Gov.
was SUPPOSED to show up. Yeah! Right? I was IT. I went over to James and
said" welcome to CT" when they landed in the maul parking lot.They had a guy
from a electrical magazine to verify that they didn't cheat and charge.They
used the bathroon, and grabbed a cuppa coffee at a Dunkin' Donuts, I think?
Not loosing any time they were off, with a few ICE support vehicles. I
chased along awile in my Diseasel Jetta, vid taping as we went. Didn't go
with them long as I had to go fly my OTHER electric that day, train #55, so
I split early on, but saw them head for the Merritt Parkway, a roller
coaster road, rather than the flatter I-91/95 route favored by Fung Hwa
Express buses.WHY the Chinese are in the US Bus Biz, I'll never know? Only
20 bux NYC-Boston, HOW do they make any money?? I understand they corrected
their route and DID do 91/95.

God! Those were heady daze. Seeing the Sunrise slipping along in the
Real World was a almost religious experiance, on the Turnpike as we Yankees
call the Freeway, blending in with the gas rigs.I want one, someday. General
Murders was doing first gen EV-1's They hadn't locked down the NHM battery,
yet. "Honda had the EV with a cord"play on the "Accord" name. Toyota MUST
have had the RAV-4 in the works.We figured that in ten years you could make
a tough choice; Sunrise or EV-1.Or maybe the RAV? Oh we'll get one of each?
Solve that issue. Spineless govt, you all know the sad EVents of the
following years. SHAME USA!As Chevy used to say" The Heartbeat(break) of
America."We still drive our crappy conversions for now til???. Sigh!

I guess THIS is why we, Lee, Tim, Jerry etc are TRYING to keep this
unique working EV from dying, ten tough years later. Like 450 amp hills,
it's a struggle! Maybe a National Emergency? to get stuff like Sunrise
going? Send Lee yur Lunch/dinner money, skip eating at the Ritz tonight, go
Mc Darnolds or Burgler King,(Feh!) send him the difference. Mother Earth
will thank you as I will.

Dreaming along

Bob
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> 217 miles. Hah! "Hypermile" in a Tesla Roadster and you'll probably
> go 317 miles. Times are changing.


Ah, but the Sunrise actually did it. Has anyone actually taken delivery of a Tesla? Have any actually been driven by normal people on normal roads yet to establish what they can really do?

You can't build a reputation on what you are *going* to do.

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Lee Hart wrote:

> You can't build a reputation on what you are *going* to do.
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Ah, but GM is trying!

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Has anyone actually taken delivery of a Sunrise?

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Has anyone actually taken delivery of a Tesla?

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a nameless person wrote:
>Has anyone actually taken delivery of a Sunrise?


http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/655

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Taken delivery as in bought a production vehicle new from a dealer, not
stumble upon a used prototype.

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>Has anyone actually taken delivery of a Sunrise?


http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/655

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> a nameless person wrote:
> Has anyone actually taken delivery of a Sunrise?

Yes. Solectria built perhaps a dozen of them. Some were crash tested, some were kept by Solectria (James Worden still has one), and some were sold to real customers. The one in the EV Tradin' Post is owned by Stephen Taylor, for example.

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> Why do people dismiss Tesla Motors just because they haven't
> delivered their cars yet.

I don't dismiss them. They have a lot of money, and some very bright poeple. They have built a very impressive prototype.

But there have been *hundreds* of companies like this. Lots of big talk, and then no results. So, I'm being cautiously optimistic. The odds are against them; but who knows, maybe they will succeed.

In any case, they are building $100,000 sports cars. I'm not interested in such cars; I'm interested in daily drivers that I can actually afford.

> And the Tesla's range was not lowered to 200 miles, it was lowered to
> over 200 miles. And I mean "was," because the new range has already
> been announced, officially, as per EPA testing: 235 miles on the
> highway and 255 in the city, 245 combined.

I don't believe the EPA has tested a Tesla. All we have are the company's own projections.

> I'm sure with hypermiling the Roadster can easily do 317 miles

Probaby so. Note that Sunrises have gone over 400 miles on a charge by hypermiling; and that was with 1995 nimh batteries. Today's lithiums can provide twice the energy, so a marketing department would happily project "up to 800 miles range".

> Is there a website with Sunrise specs (dimensions, performance etc.)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solectria_Sunrise

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On 23 Oct 2007 at 0:00, Lee Hart wrote:

> Some were crash tested, some
> were kept by Solectria (James Worden still has one), and some were sold to
> real customers.

This is true. While they weren't mass-produced, they were indeed offered
for sale. In 1999, Solectria quoted a price of $210,000 - way out of my
reach, but not too bad for a hand-built car.

BTW, last I heard, Worden also still had one of the first Forces, based on a
1991 Geo Metro, as his daily driver. He used to drive it to work every day,
summer and winter, when he was at Solectria.

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Here is their EV testing page:
http://www.automotivetesting.com/Electric%20Vehicle%20Testing.htm
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