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Just pulled my first bad battery.

"It's dead Jim."

It did not survive the two year enforced hibernation/wait for my car
to get running. The replacement battery is now twice what I paid for
the original. I checked the price for new lead just now. Spot is
1.65 American. That makes the lead in the 65 pound battery that is
going to cost me $80, worth $99. At the rate metal prices are
climbing it won't be long till lithium is cheaper than flooded.

Other wise the other nine batteries are doing well and getting
stronger every day. I am driving the car into town (6.6 miles total)
every day to get them exercised.

R. M. Milliron

1981 Jet Electrica
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702

This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.


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Our battery supplier at work sent us a memo in August saying that battery
prices were increasing 12% and that we would have to give them a core for
each battery or pay at least $10. core charge, depending on the size. They
claim this was because China is drastically reducing their lead exports.
They need raw materials.
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You find a way to make that old dead cell into 5.56 NATO, and I think
you'll have a buyer at well above the spot price ;-)

R. Matt Milliron wrote:
> Just pulled my first bad battery.
>
> "It's dead Jim."
>
> It did not survive the two year enforced hibernation/wait for my car
> to get running. The replacement battery is now twice what I paid for
> the original. I checked the price for new lead just now. Spot is
> 1.65 American. That makes the lead in the 65 pound battery that is
> going to cost me $80, worth $99. At the rate metal prices are
> climbing it won't be long till lithium is cheaper than flooded.
>
> Other wise the other nine batteries are doing well and getting
> stronger every day. I am driving the car into town (6.6 miles total)
> every day to get them exercised.
>
> R. M. Milliron
>
> 1981 Jet Electrica
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
>
> This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
> I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
> my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
> electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
>
>
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I'll bite, what does "5.56 NATO" translate to in layman's terms....??

On 10/7/07, Hunter Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
> You find a way to make that old dead cell into 5.56 NATO, and I think
> you'll have a buyer at well above the spot price ;-)
>
>
R. Matt Milliron wrote:
> > Just pulled my first bad battery.
> >
> > "It's dead Jim."
> >
> > It did not survive the two year enforced hibernation/wait for my car
> > to get running. The replacement battery is now twice what I paid for
> > the original. I checked the price for new lead just now. Spot is
> > 1.65 American. That makes the lead in the 65 pound battery that is
> > going to cost me $80, worth $99. At the rate metal prices are
> > climbing it won't be long till lithium is cheaper than flooded.
> >
> > Other wise the other nine batteries are doing well and getting
> > stronger every day. I am driving the car into town (6.6 miles total)
> > every day to get them exercised.
> >
> > R. M. Milliron
> >
> > 1981 Jet Electrica
> > http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
> >
> > This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
> > I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
> > my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
> > electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
> >
> >
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> > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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This would explain why a couple of guys in a truck stopped in front of my
house this week and asked if I had any old batteries I want to get rid of.
Now I have to worry about the possibility of them coming back when I am not
home and helping themselves to the battery packs in my cars. Is lead going
to become a target for thieves to recycle, as copper has been for awhile?

Gail
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] spot price of lead


> We just took a pallet of used batteries (24 L-16's and a few T-105's)
> to a recycler, and he gave us $0.60/lb on the spot. About $380 for
> the pallet. Not bad, considering that lead isn't even all the weight
> in a battery.
>
> Z

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It's the designation of the standard NATO infantry ammunition, similar
to Winchester .223 and used in the M-16 and many other weapons. The
rather prodigious amount of it being consumed right now is one of the
major factors in these rising lead prices. Turns out amongst other
things war makes it more expensive to drive an EV. Still not the way it
adds expense to an ICE...

Anyhow, sorry to border on OT, thought I'd bring it back around. These
things are related after all...

Hunter

Michael Mohlere wrote:
> I'll bite, what does "5.56 NATO" translate to in layman's terms....??
>
> On 10/7/07, Hunter Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
> > You find a way to make that old dead cell into 5.56 NATO, and I think
> > you'll have a buyer at well above the spot price ;-)
> >
> > On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 22:08 -0500, R. Matt Milliron wrote:
> > > Just pulled my first bad battery.
> > >
> > > "It's dead Jim."
> > >
> > > It did not survive the two year enforced hibernation/wait for my car
> > > to get running. The replacement battery is now twice what I paid for
> > > the original. I checked the price for new lead just now. Spot is
> > > 1.65 American. That makes the lead in the 65 pound battery that is
> > > going to cost me $80, worth $99. At the rate metal prices are
> > > climbing it won't be long till lithium is cheaper than flooded.
> > >
> > > Other wise the other nine batteries are doing well and getting
> > > stronger every day. I am driving the car into town (6.6 miles total)
> > > every day to get them exercised.
> > >
> > > R. M. Milliron
> > >
> > > 1981 Jet Electrica
> > > http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
> > >
> > > This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
> > > I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
> > > my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
> > > electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
> > >
> > >
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