storm connors <
[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [snip rant about health and safety]
>
>> I don't see anything "terrifying" about the existing plugs in the US. The
>> standard outlet in London doesn't appear to be any safer.
He EVerybody;
> Out of Lerk mode here, Scary US plugs Coming form somebody on the Europe?
> Who ya kidding? 240 in ALL your outlets is scary as hell! A kid get that
> across his fingers, I guess, like a cat, only jumps on a hot stove
> once!?The 120 volt will be a vigerous jolt, 240 would/could KILL you!Not
> meaning to diss Euro power, I like it! Lots of power EVen at 13 amps I
> think somebody stated back in the Old Country.You didn't read this, but I
> charge my Jetta with a 120 volt plug wired for 240 volts, and the usual
> 'stench chords. They don't stench anymore on 240 volts! Of course I have
> marked in English" 240 Volts" Painted the plug red, too. Run my table saw
> an' welder from them , also. 240 volts is great power. I can see why
> folks in OZ and Europe go for it.
I guess we learn early on life's dangers, like look BOTH ways for cars,
don't touch 3rd rails, LOOK all around ya when riding your bike, pedal or
powered. Don't get yur fingers across ANY plug prongs. Don't go swimming IF
you can't swim!!Don't walk on RR trax .Darwin's law, never approved by
Congress, opposite of PROgress.Still carry's on, although we do our damndest
to prevent it! I have to watch my grandkid EVERY second, as he is one and
can self propell(walk) VERY quick, and around electrical stuff as he doesn't
talk YET! Thodse cute little fingers get into EVerything! If he is over I
just unplug the car, hide away the stench cords, power tools, ANYTHING he
can get into!!I'm the safety device here. Time will come when He'll drive
the collection of EV stuff; power wheels, scooters, bikes Go karts, stored
away.
> It appears that you can touch the live pins of certain US plugs very
> easily if you are careless, or a child. Just an observation.
> Yeah, ya can with almost any plug.120 volts here will be safer than 240.
>> The GFCI is rarely safer. 2 failures have to occur simultaneously for its
>> protection to be lifesaving.
>
> Nonsense. The GFCI can save you in many situations: just one is the
> case where the charger cord or plug/socket has been damaged, and you
> accidentally touch a live part. It shouldn't be relied upon as the
> *sole* means of protection of course.
> No, common sence, first.Look FIRST, plug carefully.
>> The idea of cost/benefit analysis seems to be missing.
>
> The cost/benefit is clear: the first serious accident (someone's
> garage burning down, someone's kid being killed) where you can say
> "they could have done something to prevent that" will kill the entire
> company, and probably take modern EVs with it.
> Weeeeeell?? Gas cars have burned up more folks than EV 's EVer will. I
> was just lucky, myself, to played with go karts, lawnmoweres, outboards,
> cleaned parts with gas,in my deformative years I'm sure sparked stuff in
> a fumey area. And got away with it. And think about it? How MANY selfserv
> gas stations are there? Funny we don't have fires all over the place. A
> demented person could spray gas around and light it? Have a cheery
> ,blazing inferno in a twinkling of a lighter! But we know better, fillerup
> and go on our way, although with my EV I fillerup a hellova lot less! Need
> gas for my chainsaw, lief blower, lawnmower for now. Hell it would be
> harder to clean paintbrushes with electricity?
Just for diss-cussion; IF gas cars wre just coming out. Can you
imagine the tizz the safety folks would go into" 300 HP in a single
carriage? Fueling it, it will GO 150 mph, with VERY flamible gas?WHO could
be trusted to operate it safely, carrying GALLONS of this deadly mix?Who
would regulatre them, for safety's sake?Why would licence/ train operators?
WHERE could you run them safely??Nobody would insure them, too dangerous! No
worry, buy Streetcar Co. stock, folks will ALWAYS have to ride, right?This
was a fun argument 100 years ago when streetcar lines were built as fast as
investors could be lured out of their savings.
> I agree, you can go completely over the top, like GM did, but the
> important difference is that Tesla is in the business of selling EVs,
> not dissuading people from wanting them.
> IF they make a sensible plug that we can BUY for less than a mortgage
> payment?They, Tesla, would set OUR standard, as I figure I'll see Teslas
> on the road in MY lifetime?They should pop up on the Gold Coast of CT, NYC
> and the Hamptons on Wrong Island. Where people have more money than they
> should.
Seeya
Bob
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