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Those vehicles are US Government property and can only
be titled via an SF-97 form. I have done this before,
and it can be a lot of trouble.

But, those 3 vehicles (one of which I doubt is
actually an EV) will not and can not be be given an
SF-97 because they are clasified as H7 (Unservicable).
There is absolutely no way to get the correct
paperwork from the US Government to title those
vehicles. They simply won't give it to you because of
the clasification.

Therefore, be cautious, look into this before you bid.
I'm not saying there is absolutely no way to ever get
them registered. But, I assure you of this a 1997
vehicle with no title, former US Government property,
with a record of being sold as unservicable, is going
to be a major problem for anyone trying to put one of
these back on the road. The only way I can even think
of getting it done is to either register them as
salvage complete rebuild with a new vin number (good
luck ever getting one of those insured), or a bonded
title. The bonded title may be an option, but if any
history turns up on that vin and they find out it was
scrap, no way. Again, a major issue ever getting them
insured with a scrap history. So, it is a major risk.

I'm telling you this because I've gone though this
process before (with a vehicle that I actually did get
the SF-97 for eventually). These are being sold as
parts vehicles. Be cautious.

I actually thought about bidding myself since they are
only about 20 miles away from me. I planned to bid
only about $200 for the third one that probably isn't
even an EV. I figured $200, worst case I can drop it
off at the junk yard on the way home if it turns out
to be gas powered like the manifest shows. But after
looking into all this, I am not going anywhere near
them. It's a true shame because they probably could
be made to work electrically and mechanically. I do
see serious issues retrofitting batteries into them,
redoing the electronics, etc., but for $200 or so I
figured why not? Now that I did all the research and
I truly believe they can never be registered (at least
not here in GA), probabbly never legally driven, etc.
I changed my mind. I'm passing this info on to you so
you can make an informed decision before bidding.

Steve

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> Those vehicles are US Government property and can only
> be titled via an SF-97 form. I have done this before,
> and it can be a lot of trouble.

I agree; potential buyers need to be very careful that they know what they are getting into! However, if one is willing to perservere, it can be done.

I bought my ComutaVan with a salvage title, after it had been used up by the US Postal Service and then junked. I *did* have to get it inspected and re-titled. This was a hassle, but by no means impossible.

"The only thing new is the history you don't know yet." -- Harry Truman

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Steve, why do you keep saying the third truck is not electric? The
pictures clearly show the large inverted under the hood, just as is
shown on the other two trucks. I know the idea of an EV with a
radiator is odd, but that is actually how the S-10EVs were made. All
three trucks appear to have the charge port behind the front license
plate, and all three have the chin spoiler which I believe was only
used on the electric drive S-10s. The pictures also show all three
trucks say "electric" on the back and the doors.

I believe the fifth character of the VIN, "E" is the designator for
electric drive. All three vehicles, plus the one in the DOE test
page I linked to have VINs that start with 1GCDE.

Thanks,

Mike Chancey,
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Kansas City, Missouri
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even if you can't register them they'd supply most of the parts for nice conversion on another vehicle wouldn't they?

> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:18:40 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [EVDL] Those Electric S-10's (again) .. most likely can never be titled
>
> Those vehicles are US Government property and can only
> be titled via an SF-97 form. I have done this before,
> and it can be a lot of trouble.
>
> But, those 3 vehicles (one of which I doubt is
> actually an EV) will not and can not be be given an
> SF-97 because they are clasified as H7 (Unservicable).
> There is absolutely no way to get the correct
> paperwork from the US Government to title those
> vehicles. They simply won't give it to you because of
> the clasification.
>
> Therefore, be cautious, look into this before you bid.
> I'm not saying there is absolutely no way to ever get
> them registered. But, I assure you of this a 1997
> vehicle with no title, former US Government property,
> with a record of being sold as unservicable, is going
> to be a major problem for anyone trying to put one of
> these back on the road. The only way I can even think
> of getting it done is to either register them as
> salvage complete rebuild with a new vin number (good
> luck ever getting one of those insured), or a bonded
> title. The bonded title may be an option, but if any
> history turns up on that vin and they find out it was
> scrap, no way. Again, a major issue ever getting them
> insured with a scrap history. So, it is a major risk.
>
> I'm telling you this because I've gone though this
> process before (with a vehicle that I actually did get
> the SF-97 for eventually). These are being sold as
> parts vehicles. Be cautious.
>
> I actually thought about bidding myself since they are
> only about 20 miles away from me. I planned to bid
> only about $200 for the third one that probably isn't
> even an EV. I figured $200, worst case I can drop it
> off at the junk yard on the way home if it turns out
> to be gas powered like the manifest shows. But after
> looking into all this, I am not going anywhere near
> them. It's a true shame because they probably could
> be made to work electrically and mechanically. I do
> see serious issues retrofitting batteries into them,
> redoing the electronics, etc., but for $200 or so I
> figured why not? Now that I did all the research and
> I truly believe they can never be registered (at least
> not here in GA), probabbly never legally driven, etc.
> I changed my mind. I'm passing this info on to you so
> you can make an informed decision before bidding.
>
> Steve
>
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