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http://www.autoevolution.com/news/toyota-dismisses-lithium-ion-batteries-fo=
r-10-more-years-27718.html
Toyota Dismisses Lithium Ion Batteries for 10 More Years Andrei Costea
6th of December 2010 ... [NiMH] ones provide a shorter recharge time =

and have a greater discharge capacity, which are major advantages in =

hybrid vehicles. Turning to lithium ion batteries wouldn't make much of
a difference in terms of performance. "The improved efficiency from =

converting to lithium ion batteries from [NiMH] is at best 1 percent to
2 percent in the vehicle's performance," ... [&] will be progressively
introduced throughout the [pih] and electric vehicle ranges ... to make
the production cost effective ... Toyota has been producing [NiMH] =

batteries for a decade ... with Panasonic Corp, Primearth EV Energy CO.
[which] has the largest market share in the [hev] battery business and
has been producing [NiMH] batteries, as well as [BMS] for hybrids and
[EVs] since ... 1996. NiMH battery modules for the General Motors 2-mode
hybrids are also offered. The company was known as Panasonic EV Energy =

Co until 2 June 2010. [=A9 2008-2010 SoftNews NET. All rights reserved.]
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-metal_hydride_battery
[images] ... Stanford R. Ovshinsky invented and patented the NiMH =

battery and founded Ovonic Battery Company in 1982. General Motors =

purchased the patent from Ovonics in 1994. By the late 1990s, NiMH =

batteries were being used successfully in many fully electric vehicles,
such as the [GM] EV1 and Dodge Caravan EPIC minivan. In October 2000, =

the patent was sold to Texaco and a week later Texaco was acquired by
Chevron. Chevron's Cobasys subsidiary will only provide these batteries
to large OEM orders. [GM] shut down production of the EV1 citing lack =

of battery availability as one of their chief obstacles. The Cobasys =

control of NiMH batteries has created a patent encumbrance of large =

automotive NiMH batteries.
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_encumbrance_of_large_automotive_NiMH_ba=
tteries
... On July 28, 2009, Automotive News reported that Cobasys would be =

bought from Chevron and Energy Conversion Devices by battery maker SB =

LiMotive, a joint venture of Bosch and Samsung ... At [that] time ...
control of NiMH battery technology transferred back to ECD Ovonics ...
In October 2009, ECD Ovonics announced that their next-generation NiMH
batteries will provide specific energy and power that are comparable to
those of lithium ion batteries at a cost that is significantly lower =

than the cost of lithium ion batteries ... It is unclear whether ECD =

Ovonics will continue to adhere to Cobasys' prohibitive minimum order
sales policy.
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_battery
[images] Electric vehicle batteries
...
http://www.azonano.com/news.asp?newsID=3D20822
... In North America EcoloCap Solutions Inc. ... is moving forward with
the establishment of an advanced nano lithium battery manufacturing =

complex in Native American tribal lands. The company's executives will =

meet with tribal leaders in December to plan implementation, and remain =

focused on minimizing manufacturing costs in order to make the =

technology highly competitive with high-capacity lead acid cells ...
[Copyright =A9 2010 by AZoM.com Pty.Ltd]
...
http://www.examiner.com/green-transportation-in-national/graphene-supercapa=
citor-breakthrough-may-mean-electric-vehicle-breakthrough
Graphene supercapacitor breakthrough may mean [EV] breakthrough
Nov 30 2010 ... The new device has an energy density of 85.6 watt-
hours per kilogram, a density equal to the [NiMH] batteries used in the =

previous generation of [EVs &] it will allow for much faster recharge
times.



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Odd, didn't Toyota just agree to use Tesla components in their RAV-4,
including the Lithium battery. Perhaps this guy was just talking about
hybrids....




On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Bruce Parmenter <[email protected]> w=
rote:
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> http://www.autoevolution.com/news/toyota-dismisses-lithium-ion-batteries-=
for-10-more-years-27718.html
> Toyota Dismisses Lithium Ion Batteries for 10 More Years Andrei Costea
> 6th of December 2010 ... [NiMH] ones provide a shorter recharge time
> and have a greater discharge capacity, which are major advantages in
> hybrid vehicles. Turning to lithium ion batteries wouldn't make much of
> a difference in terms of performance. "The improved efficiency from
> converting to lithium ion batteries from [NiMH] is at best 1 percent to
> 2 percent in the vehicle's performance," ... [&] will be progressively
> introduced throughout the [pih] and electric vehicle ranges ... to make
> the production cost effective ... Toyota has been producing [NiMH]
> batteries for a decade ... with Panasonic Corp, Primearth EV Energy CO.
> [which] has the largest market share in the [hev] battery business and
> has been producing [NiMH] batteries, as well as [BMS] for hybrids and
> [EVs] since ... 1996. NiMH battery modules for the General Motors 2-mode
> hybrids are also offered. The company was known as Panasonic EV Energy
> Co until 2 June 2010. [=A9 2008-2010 SoftNews NET. All rights reserved=
.]
> ...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-metal_hydride_battery
> [images] ... Stanford R. Ovshinsky invented and patented the NiMH
> battery and founded Ovonic Battery Company in 1982. General Motors
> purchased the patent from Ovonics in 1994. By the late 1990s, NiMH
> batteries were being used successfully in many fully electric vehicles,
> such as the [GM] EV1 and Dodge Caravan EPIC minivan. In October 2000,
> the patent was sold to Texaco and a week later Texaco was acquired by
> Chevron. Chevron's Cobasys subsidiary will only provide these batteries
> to large OEM orders. [GM] shut down production of the EV1 citing lack
> of battery availability as one of their chief obstacles. The Cobasys
> control of NiMH batteries has created a patent encumbrance of large
> automotive NiMH batteries.
> ...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_encumbrance_of_large_automotive_NiMH_=
batteries
> ... On July 28, 2009, Automotive News reported that Cobasys would be
> bought from Chevron and Energy Conversion Devices by battery maker SB
> LiMotive, a joint venture of Bosch and Samsung ... At [that] time ...
> control of NiMH battery technology transferred back to ECD Ovonics ...
> In October 2009, ECD Ovonics announced that their next-generation NiMH
> batteries will provide specific energy and power that are comparable to
> those of lithium ion batteries at a cost that is significantly lower
> than the cost of lithium ion batteries ... It is unclear whether ECD
> Ovonics will continue to adhere to Cobasys' prohibitive minimum order
> sales policy.
> ...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_battery
> [images] Electric vehicle batteries
> ...
> http://www.azonano.com/news.asp?newsID=3D20822
> ... In North America EcoloCap Solutions Inc. ... is moving forward with
> the establishment of an advanced nano lithium battery manufacturing
> complex in Native American tribal lands. The company's executives will
> meet with tribal leaders in December to plan implementation, and remain
> focused on minimizing manufacturing costs in order to make the
> technology highly competitive with high-capacity lead acid cells ...
> [Copyright =A9 2010 by AZoM.com Pty.Ltd]
> ...
> http://www.examiner.com/green-transportation-in-national/graphene-superca=
pacitor-breakthrough-may-mean-electric-vehicle-breakthrough
> Graphene supercapacitor breakthrough may mean [EV] breakthrough
> Nov 30 2010 ... The new device has an energy density of 85.6 watt-
> hours per kilogram, a density equal to the [NiMH] batteries used in the
> previous generation of [EVs &] it will allow for much faster recharge
> times.
>
>
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Autovolantor=
-a-Flying-PHEV-td3083952.html
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Indeed, no one is building EV's with NiMH now.
Peter Gabrielsson wrote:
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> Odd, didn't Toyota just agree to use Tesla components in their RAV-4,
> including the Lithium battery. Perhaps this guy was just talking about
> hybrids....
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