[EVDL] truth in advertising

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Discussion Starter · Sep 23, 2010

What I was typing about is the LEAF is said to get 100 miles range.. will it.. yes! at 22 MPH. most people looking to buy a car think an electric will do what a gas engine will. They wont. I have people come to my shop and want a conversion and tell me they have to go 70 miles a day, I tell them YES, but at 25 MPH. that shuts them up.
What this is, is tell it like it is, no need to hide things. Is my 76 Nova electric faster than a 12 cylinder Astin Martin Vantage??? Hell yes, I pased one doing 35 MPH, I was doing 45, now...at that point I WAS faster than the AM V . did I lie?? not exactly , did I tell the truth?? almost LOLOL

were reading claims about how much range is needed,I have always said range is not important if you only drive 15 miles a day. Madison Av will always try and bend the truth to sell a product, thats what they do..feed a line of crap to the public and hope they fall for it. how many of you guys fell for gas saver devices that were selling all over the place in the 70s," clip this on your fuel line and the negitive ions will increase your gas milage by 50%" LOLOLOL I got your negative ions, swinging LOLOL . Just tell the public what the damn thing will do , at what speeds, and for how long ...Wait !!!!! that would be telling the truth , we cant have that in the auto industry

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Discussion Starter · #2 · Sep 23, 2010

I have a hard time believing that the LEAF would only get 100 miles if
driving only 22 MPH or so. Here are the actual figures for the GM EV1 which
used about 28 KWH versus 24 for the LEAF:

CONSTANT SPEED RANGE @ 60 mph1,2,3
Range: 160.6 miles
Energy Used: 27.04 kWh
Average Power: 10.28 kW
Efficiency: 168 Wh/mile
Specific Energy: 56.2 Wh/kg
DRIVING CYCLE RANGE1,2,3
Range per SAE J1634: 140.3 miles
Energy Used: 25.14 kWh
Average Power: 5.28 kW
Efficiency: 179 Wh/mile
Specific Energy: 52.3 Wh/kg

(See http://avt.inel.gov/pdf/fsev/eva/ev1_eva.pdf for the full reportr)

Now the EV1 was more streamlined than the LEAF and somewhat lighter, but the
vast disparity you mention seems extreme. I have seen several reports of
the LEAF in actual use where the range varies form 60 to 130 miles depending
on driving conditions and speed. A 60 mile range is traveling at 60 MPH
while using the air conditioner when the outside temperature is 85 degrees,
and 130 miles is traveling at 35 mph on a 70 degree day.

-- Larry

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Electric Blue auto convertions <

[email protected]> wrote:

> What I was typing about is the LEAF is said to get 100 miles range.. will
> it.. yes! at 22 MPH. most people looking to buy a car think an electric will
> do what a gas engine will. They wont. I have people come to my shop and want
> a conversion and tell me they have to go 70 miles a day, I tell them YES,
> but at 25 MPH. that shuts them up.
> What this is, is tell it like it is, no need to hide things. Is my 76 Nova
> electric faster than a 12 cylinder Astin Martin Vantage??? Hell yes, I pased
> one doing 35 MPH, I was doing 45, now...at that point I WAS faster than the
> AM V . did I lie?? not exactly , did I tell the truth?? almost LOLOL
>
> were reading claims about how much range is needed,I have always said range
> is not important if you only drive 15 miles a day. Madison Av will always
> try and bend the truth to sell a product, thats what they do..feed a line of
> crap to the public and hope they fall for it. how many of you guys fell for
> gas saver devices that were selling all over the place in the 70s," clip
> this on your fuel line and the negitive ions will increase your gas milage
> by 50%" LOLOLOL I got your negative ions, swinging LOLOL . Just tell the
> public what the damn thing will do , at what speeds, and for how long
> ...Wait !!!!! that would be telling the truth , we cant have that in the
> auto industry
>
> ev-blue.com
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Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 25, 2010

The dual-use marine batteries are another matter. Enough of them might make
the required range for a few dozen cycles, but they'll die a quick and
unhappy death hauling a heavy truck around. I'm assuming we're talking
about ordinary flooded 12v marine batteries now; some AGM types might
survive.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

I was pretty suprised that anyone would use marine deep
cycles for it since they aren't really deep cycle batteries, and don't
like currents over 100a sustained either. I was thinking that
Concorde agms would work, and I just saw a jeep Cherokee conversion
with the AC55 and Concorde agms last weekend that the owner said had
about 50 mile range iirc. If you want me to try to get you in contact
with that owner to discuss how his setup is working before deciding
what to do to yours, Donn, let me know ( or maybe he'll respond).

Z

We have a solution to this problem, courtesy of Azure, Electroauto, and
two Colorado converters who've kindly DONATED their time to puzzle this
thing out; what we don't have is the stomach or the money to implement it.
We suggested Deka Dominator batteries in the first place.
We paid for and received a brand new conversion; what we need now is
for the right thing to happen.
FAEC

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