Jukka J=E4rvinen wrote:
> I have no problem to talk about the TS issues. I know how they do things =
> and it is far from western standards.
> I've rolled the full case about the old cells in front of Winston. I =
> feel a bit troubled how he reacted on the issue. The amount of cells =
> that need changing is muuuch greater that anyone of us knows. I believe.
That makes no difference really. Amount of money they basically
stole is also much greater than anyone knows about, but that doesn't
bother Winston and Co.
Makes no difference if the staff, policies or whatever have changed
since 2003 when that happened. Bottom line - I'm (and 10 other people)
out of money and out of product we paid for. That fact didn't change.
Everything else is cheap talk, true or false.
> This is the reason I have always STRONGLY adviced NOT to buy cells =
> directly from them. I test all my cells in China before shipping. If any =
> bad I change it.
Perhaps I wasn't clear. If I buy TS sells from you and you in turn
buy them from TS for me, my money ultimately go to TS anyway. And I =
already paid them, and they know it.
So I should not buy TS product at all (and discourage others)
(directly or through Finnish distributor, makes no difference)
at least until one of 2 things happen:
a) - They return my money (and I can return their junk cells,
of course at their expense if they want)
b) - They fill *MY* trunk with 96 working cells *I* paid for.
It is of course your choice how to deal with TS, but if
you don't pressure and make them suffer, you encourage them
to keep doing what they did. I sincerely wish your business to
prosper, but if your sales decline because fewer people buy
their product (through you) - you suffer through no fault of
your own. Your own business practices are perfectly fine, but
it's not about you now, it's about TS and us (me in this case).
You weren't even involved in the initial group purchase.
Your only "fault" (for the lack of better word) is
your choice to still establish business with TS as if they
fully deserve it as good responsible supplier *by customer's
standards* (which they are not).
I don't want to impair your business, but I want to hold TS
responsible for theirs by spreading the word to get to option
a) or b) (see above) as close as possible.
Please suggest other means if you know of any.
I believe you, or any their distributor, can keep insisting
on them to rectify the situation by [partially] refusing to
deal with them so their bottom line suffers - you have much more =
influence and leverage than me and others who're just TS' end
You may be very right in assessment of current "changed" TS,
but [whether we keep talking about it or quit the thread now],
the fact remains - the trunk of my EV is still empty. Rub it in =
p.s. A bit recomposed copy of this email is going to Winston
directly as well. Will see if it will have any effect.
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