I hear you Victor. Very clear. You can trust that I will use my leverage =
and we'll see how it goes.
Meanwhile I too encourage everyone to hold their purchases. Problem is =
that too may are buying with too good price. And only cells. So the =
malpractice is being encouraged.
Plain cells are forbidden to sell in here due the risks. I have never =
sold even a single cell without some version of my BMS/CCS. I've given =
few samples for free and forbid to use them. Just for show.
And I hate when I'm titled as "distributor" or "TS emloyee". I'm far =
from it. So get it F#*ing clear already! Or I can personally show why =
there is always some proper tooling behind the Sauna.
What it comes to TS technology I still believe they have something good =
to offer. What is comes to anthing else regarding the company.. lot's of =
help is needed. Starting from warranty policies..
-Jukka
p.s.- The messages in English goes directly to Winstons assistents and =
they "translate" bad news in a way that it never goes through. It =
happens even during we talk face to face. Did they invent the concept of =
killing the messenger ....??...
Victor Tikhonov kirjoitti:
> Jukka J=E4rvinen wrote:
>> I have no problem to talk about the TS issues. I know how they do things =
>> and it is far from western standards.
>>
>> I've rolled the full case about the old cells in front of Winston. I =
>> feel a bit troubled how he reacted on the issue. The amount of cells =
>> that need changing is muuuch greater that anyone of us knows. I believe.
> =
> That makes no difference really. Amount of money they basically
> stole is also much greater than anyone knows about, but that doesn't
> bother Winston and Co.
> =
> Makes no difference if the staff, policies or whatever have changed
> since 2003 when that happened. Bottom line - I'm (and 10 other people)
> out of money and out of product we paid for. That fact didn't change.
> Everything else is cheap talk, true or false.
> =
>> This is the reason I have always STRONGLY adviced NOT to buy cells =
>> directly from them. I test all my cells in China before shipping. If any =
>> bad I change it.
> =
> Perhaps I wasn't clear. If I buy TS sells from you and you in turn
> buy them from TS for me, my money ultimately go to TS anyway. And I =
> already paid them, and they know it.
> =
> So I should not buy TS product at all (and discourage others)
> (directly or through Finnish distributor, makes no difference)
> at least until one of 2 things happen:
> =
> a) - They return my money (and I can return their junk cells,
> of course at their expense if they want)
> b) - They fill *MY* trunk with 96 working cells *I* paid for.
> =
> It is of course your choice how to deal with TS, but if
> you don't pressure and make them suffer, you encourage them
> to keep doing what they did. I sincerely wish your business to
> prosper, but if your sales decline because fewer people buy
> their product (through you) - you suffer through no fault of
> your own. Your own business practices are perfectly fine, but
> it's not about you now, it's about TS and us (me in this case).
> You weren't even involved in the initial group purchase.
> Your only "fault" (for the lack of better word) is
> your choice to still establish business with TS as if they
> fully deserve it as good responsible supplier *by customer's
> standards* (which they are not).
> =
> I don't want to impair your business, but I want to hold TS
> responsible for theirs by spreading the word to get to option
> a) or b) (see above) as close as possible.
> Please suggest other means if you know of any.
> =
> I believe you, or any their distributor, can keep insisting
> on them to rectify the situation by [partially] refusing to
> deal with them so their bottom line suffers - you have much more =
> influence and leverage than me and others who're just TS' end
> customers.
> =
> You may be very right in assessment of current "changed" TS,
> but [whether we keep talking about it or quit the thread now],
> the fact remains - the trunk of my EV is still empty. Rub it in =
> Winston's face.
> =
> Victor
> =
> p.s. A bit recomposed copy of this email is going to Winston
> directly as well. Will see if it will have any effect.
> =
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Jukka J=E4rvinen
R&D Director
Oy Finnish Electric Vehicle Technologies Ltd
Teollisuuskatu 24 A3
11100 RIIHIM=C4KI
jukka.jarvinen(at)fevt.com
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