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--- MIKE WILLMON <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hydrogen is not a fuel. It IS an energy carrier,
> or storage medium much as a battery or capacitor..
> If the electrons from the storage medium power an
> electric motor, then technically it IS an EV.
>
> Maybe we could rename our group the BEVDL, or
> Battery Electric Vehicle Discussion List and limit
> our arguments to what batteries get the best
> performance, or how to maintain them better. It
> seems you are now the one with the closed mind, and
> blindly following the mantra of if its not batteries
> its not electric, yada yada yada. I'm not one to
> favour the hydrogen hype because it is such an
> inefficient form of energy storage. However to stay
> technically correct, but not argue for that side, I
> would say the Fuel Cell powered vehicle are EV's if
> they power electric motors.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Frederiksen <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:39 am
> Subject: Re: Electric car vies for speed record (500
> kph)
> To: [email protected]
>
> > Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G wrote:
> > > Why do you say it is NOT an electric vehicle? I
> don't see a gas
> > engine> of any type on there. A fuel cell
> generates ELECTRICITY
> > and the primary
> > > drive mechanism is an ELECTRIC Motor. Just
> because the fuel is
> > hydrogen> doesn't mean it is not electric. They
> are just making it
> > aboard instead
> > > of charging it externally.
> > >
> > The hydrogen fuel voids its status as electric in
> my book. I would
> > say
> > that a strict EV must be powered by an electrical
> storage such as
> > battery or capacitor. if you allow generators such
> as fuel cells
> > you
> > also allow types like the prius which is a gas car
> with an electric
> > clutch. this is a fuel cell car. hydrogen-electric
> if you will.
> > like
> > diesel-electric trains.
> > another way to define an EV might be to require
> refueling by an
> > electrical connection. again this one would fail
> that.
> >
> > when we are debating victory criteria with ICE
> people then
> > everything is
> > an electric car of course : ) but this is a
> hydrogen car. not an EV.
> > I would be surprised if the record people will
> allow it as a pure
> > EV.
> > not that batteries couldn't beat it anyway
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
>
>



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Oil is not a fuel either. Is is simply a long term carrier of very old
solar energy stored in oraginic life.

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> --- MIKE WILLMON <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hydrogen is not a fuel. It IS an energy carrier,
>> or storage medium much as a battery or capacitor..
>> If the electrons from the storage medium power an
>> electric motor, then technically it IS an EV.
>>
>> Maybe we could rename our group the BEVDL, or
>> Battery Electric Vehicle Discussion List and limit
>> our arguments to what batteries get the best
>> performance, or how to maintain them better. It
>> seems you are now the one with the closed mind, and
>> blindly following the mantra of if its not batteries
>> its not electric, yada yada yada. I'm not one to
>> favour the hydrogen hype because it is such an
>> inefficient form of energy storage. However to stay
>> technically correct, but not argue for that side, I
>> would say the Fuel Cell powered vehicle are EV's if
>> they power electric motors.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dan Frederiksen <[email protected]>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:39 am
>> Subject: Re: Electric car vies for speed record (500
>> kph)
>> To: [email protected]
>>
>> > Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G wrote:
>> > > Why do you say it is NOT an electric vehicle? I
>> don't see a gas
>> > engine> of any type on there. A fuel cell
>> generates ELECTRICITY
>> > and the primary
>> > > drive mechanism is an ELECTRIC Motor. Just
>> because the fuel is
>> > hydrogen> doesn't mean it is not electric. They
>> are just making it
>> > aboard instead
>> > > of charging it externally.
>> > >
>> > The hydrogen fuel voids its status as electric in
>> my book. I would
>> > say
>> > that a strict EV must be powered by an electrical
>> storage such as
>> > battery or capacitor. if you allow generators such
>> as fuel cells
>> > you
>> > also allow types like the prius which is a gas car
>> with an electric
>> > clutch. this is a fuel cell car. hydrogen-electric
>> if you will.
>> > like
>> > diesel-electric trains.
>> > another way to define an EV might be to require
>> refueling by an
>> > electrical connection. again this one would fail
>> that.
>> >
>> > when we are debating victory criteria with ICE
>> people then
>> > everything is
>> > an electric car of course : ) but this is a
>> hydrogen car. not an EV.
>> > I would be surprised if the record people will
>> allow it as a pure
>> > EV.
>> > not that batteries couldn't beat it anyway
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--- "Paschke, Stephen" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The ICE components do not weigh much in any air
> cooled VW. You may get
> rid of 500lbs. The engine is so light 1 strong
> person could carry it if
> it weren't so awkwardly shaped.
> Good Luck with your project. I'm sure you'll love
> it!
>
> > Stephen Paschke
> > Senior Consultant
> > Keane, Inc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Deb Hollenback
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:21 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Karmann Ghia Design - System voltage
>
> Thanks Bruce for the valuable battery sizing and
> donor info!
>
> I neglected to include weight stats - a 70ish Ghia
> weighs close to 1900
> lbs curb weight. I do not have GVW - anyone else
> know? I'm guessing
> the ICE components removed will be around 600 lbs.
> The main occupants
> of the vehicle will be myself and my lab/boxer -
> combined weight of
> 200lbs. I would like to add a passenger along with
> said pup
> occasionally - with the pup on a flat bed I envision
> to go over the
> batteries that will reside in the back seat.
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From: "EVDL Administrator" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:23 AM
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Catamaran question

> On 24 May 2010 at 11:58, Mark Hanson wrote:
>
>> I have a wooden electric boat ... with six hull chambers that keep
>> collecting water ...
>
> This doesn't seem to be a question specific to E-boats, but rather to
> cats.
> I expect you'll find quite a lot more cat experience somewhere like this :
>
> http://www.cruiserlog.com/forums/index.php?showforum=72
>
> or maybe here :
>
> http://www.catsailor.net/cgi-
> bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Australian+Catamaran+Forum&number=1
>
> Found those with a search for
>
> catamran forum.
>
> HTH
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
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