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What are the odds that Vectrix might be coming out with a motorcycle soon?
The scooter looks really nice, but it is.. a scooter.
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Please keep in mind that Vectrix's primary focus is to
build their presence with their maxi-scooter thru as
much marketing as they can afford. This will build a
solid base for their superbike should it be built.

Even Rob Brady from Robrady design hinted that
supporting Vectrix in this can lead to the superbike
concept to come to fruition as per an interview in
2006 when robrady were building the clay structure of
the rMOTO.
http://electricmotorcycles.net/modules/wordpress/?p=3D99

As of this year, the only hint publicly that maybe it
might still be rolling to a prototype is from a
Vectrix shareholder report for April 2007 posted on
Groovygreen.com that indicates a promise of a
superbike. http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=3D1360

">> Vectrix is also continuing their work with Parker
Hannifan on the development of fuel-cell scooter. This
would provide extended range and flexibility of charge
(plug-on or fuel cell). A three-wheeled version of the
Maxi Scooter; as well as Premium version and =93Sport
Motorcycle=94 concept are also in the works."

So hopefully, more will be announced to the public. I
know I am keeping my eyes out for more info.

Lyle

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> What are the odds that Vectrix might be coming out
> with a motorcycle soon?
> The scooter looks really nice, but it is.. a
> scooter.
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> Martin K
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While perusing there website some months ago I noticed they already called it a motorcycle.

Martin Klingensmith wrote:
> What are the odds that Vectrix might be coming out with a motorcycle soon?
> The scooter looks really nice, but it is.. a scooter.
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Technically it is, requiring a motorcycle endorsement to drive it.
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Daniel Cardenas wrote:
> While perusing there website some months ago I noticed they already called it a motorcycle.
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> Martin Klingensmith wrote:
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>> What are the odds that Vectrix might be coming out with a motorcycle soon?
>> The scooter looks really nice, but it is.. a scooter.
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As a soon-to-be Vectrix dealer, I can report that trials that I made in the
local area with a demo model, not only riding it myself but also gauging the
opinions from friends & colleagues and their friends & colleagues, who are
all "bikers", suggests that whilst it might "only" be a scooter, they are
very impressed: the low centre of gravity makes it easy to handle at low
speeds, the acceleration is more than sufficient (at least from 25ish MPH
upwards) and they liked the styling - few seemed deterred by the
"scooterishness"

Having parked up alongside sports bikes etc. I also realised how large it is
and is certainly "respectable!"

Since it is principally aimed at commuting, I also wonder whether there is a
sufficient market for a range-limited "motorcycle" and whether the
compromises necessary in styling etc. (which are more difficult in a more
exposed vehicle as compared to a bodywork-enclosed scooter) are achievable?

Try it... you might like it! ;-)

Matt

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> Subject: [EVDL] Vectrix motorcycle?
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> What are the odds that Vectrix might be coming out with a motorcycle soon?
> The scooter looks really nice, but it is.. a scooter.
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I'm going to test drive one either soon or in the spring. I live in
Somerville MA, USA and work in Bedford MA (12 miles)
It takes about 35-50 minutes to go that far - perfect for an electric
car because of the stop and go.
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Matthew Trevaskis wrote:
> As a soon-to-be Vectrix dealer, I can report that trials that I made in the
> local area with a demo model, not only riding it myself but also gauging the
> opinions from friends & colleagues and their friends & colleagues, who are
> all "bikers", suggests that whilst it might "only" be a scooter, they are
> very impressed: the low centre of gravity makes it easy to handle at low
> speeds, the acceleration is more than sufficient (at least from 25ish MPH
> upwards) and they liked the styling - few seemed deterred by the
> "scooterishness"
>
> Having parked up alongside sports bikes etc. I also realised how large it is
> and is certainly "respectable!"
>
> Since it is principally aimed at commuting, I also wonder whether there is a
> sufficient market for a range-limited "motorcycle" and whether the
> compromises necessary in styling etc. (which are more difficult in a more
> exposed vehicle as compared to a bodywork-enclosed scooter) are achievable?
>
> Try it... you might like it! ;-)
>
> Matt
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>>(which are more difficult in a more>>exposed vehicle as compared to a bodywork-enclosed scooter) are achievable?
There are lots of examples of vehicles enclosing with a body, my design for example, but the problem seems to be one of marketing. Will enough people buy one? This is a mostly new category of vehicle. Sparrow is the only fair example.

But frankly to my eyes it was missing something besides a low enough price.

Because our world problems are so very different from the past, there is actually no precidence to say so or not.



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Estimating, Point of Sale, Tracking, Reporting Applications> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:34:58 +0000> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Vectrix motorcycle?> > As a soon-to-be Vectrix dealer, I can report that trials that I made in the> local area with a demo model, not only riding it myself but also gauging the> opinions from friends & colleagues and their friends & colleagues, who are> all "bikers", suggests that whilst it might "only" be a scooter, they are> very impressed: the low centre of gravity makes it easy to handle at low> speeds, the acceleration is more than sufficient (at least from 25ish MPH> upwards) and they liked the styling - few seemed deterred by the> "scooterishness"> > Having parked up alongside sports bikes etc. I also realised how large it is> and is certainly "respectable!"> > Since it is principally aimed at commuting, I also wonder whether there is a> sufficient market for a range-limited "motorcycle" and whethe!
r the> compromises necessary in styling etc. (which are more difficult in a more> exposed vehicle as compared to a bodywork-enclosed scooter) are achievable?> > Try it... you might like it! ;-)> > Matt> > -- > Matthew Trevaskis> [email protected]> > > Message: 12> > Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:57:12 -0500> > From: Martin Klingensmith <[email protected]>> > Subject: [EVDL] Vectrix motorcycle?> > To: [email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > > > What are the odds that Vectrix might be coming out with a motorcycle soon?> > The scooter looks really nice, but it is.. a scooter.> > -> > Martin K> > _______________________________________________> For subscription options, see> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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See my review & others in the SFEVA website. It's more than most scooters &
some motorcycles. Lawrence Rhodes.......
http://www.sfeva.org/wiki/Scooters-Cycles#Jim_Robinson_Vectrix_Log

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I'm sorry folks I didn't mean to imply that it's not a very nice bike.
It is very sleek and quick I'm sure. What I was thinking was more along
the lines of: it costs a lot of money for a scooter, the same spec. in a
motorcycle would make me more apt to purchase it.

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Martin,

Sounds like the Vectrix would be ideal. You would comfortably make your
round-trip commute on one charge without taking the NiMH battery to a low
SOC.

This isn't the official line on charging practice but I would avoid deep
discharges and frequent full charges: you could make your weekly commute on
the mid-range and fully charge just once or twice per week which should
guarantee long battery life.

A mini-review:
Here in the UK too, the Vectrix needs a motorcycle license: you must
complete a day's training to obtain a provisional entitlement (and then pass
a full test within two years) Unlike a "moped" (limited to 30mph and 50cc
equivalent) which, if you passed your car test before sometime in the early
90s, you can ride on your car license - but new riders/drivers still have to
do the training.

Having only ever ridden the Scoot'elec ("moped") I had to do this training.
I had ridden the Vectrix before - and felt completely ok on it - but needed
to do this legally... I took the training day on the training centre's evil
little 50cc Honda: the only petrol scooter I have ever ridden, or ever plan
to again! It was SO much harder to ride than either of the electrics!

But, with the day out of the way, I could let rip with the Vectrix!! It
took me a day or two to find my confidence to regularly ride in the 45-60mph
bracket since I have been used to <35mph for 8 years!

Apart from gauging the opinions of prospective local purchasers, especially
given the price tag (roughly equivalent to the US) in a poorer, rural
location and without the Congestion Charging and parking concessions that
EVs attract in London etc. I wanted to empirically test the performance,
both acceleration and hill climbing and the range.

The acceleration and hill climbing - don't worry. I threw EVERYTHING that I
could at it and it always came up trumps! Cornwall is a very hilly area and
there was nothing that caused any problem. Hill starts on severe gradients
(think San Francisco hills) were nothing to it! And most noticeably the
performance on open roads at speed when climbing hills was fine too: where
the Peugeot/Citroen cars/vans would drop to 40mph and be pulling moderately
high amps too. This was with just me (about 75kg/165lbs) - with a pillion
obviously less so.

The range was slightly disappointing. The claimed 68mpc is nowhere near
achievable. The LCD range estimator never registered above 51 miles (normal
apparently) and the most that I ever squeezed out of it was 52.5 miles
(running it completely flat during the battery conditioning phase since it
was brand new)

If you totally "cane it" at 60mph from 100% SOC it will only do around 31
miles, but I consider that to be academic really: I see this as a 40-50mph
cruiser, safer than a moped on open roads, but capable of bursts of 60mph
when required.

I spent my 700-odd miles on a mixture of 20/30mph residential roads,
40-50mph single-carriageway roads, with runs of about 15 miles on 70mph
dual-carriageways, but keeping to 50mph most of the time: one occasion with
a vehicle passing me SLOWLY in the outside lane, next to a slip road with
something coming on to the road which would have sandwiched me between them,
but it still had plenty of reserve to pop up to 60mph to get ahead of them,
to then relax back to 50mph again.

With more relaxed riding I could regularly get around 45 mpc comfortably.
For the longevity of the battery I wouldn't want to completely discharge it
too often, so I would quote perhaps a 40 mile usable range.

Although it isn't documented the dash gives some useful info during
charging: the speedo functions as an ammeter: take the km/h figure, divide
by 10 to get the amps - so you can tell which phase of charging it is in.
The LCD readouts also give elapsed time, countdown during equalisation and
battery volts and a coded indication of charging phase too:

CP = Charge in Progress ("100km/h" = 10A)
tr = cooling down (1.5A)
CC = Completing Charge = adding 20% (80%-100%) "30km/h" = 3A for 1-1.5h
EC = equalising 58mins.. 57...

The "universal" charger taking anything from 110V to 240V will be especially
useful in North America, less so here where the 15A rated cable is bulky
considering that the 1.6kW charger never needs more than 7A at 240V. Note
that it doesn't charge any quicker from 240V, just takes less current: it is
1.6kW whatever the voltage!

I like it! :)

Matt

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> I'm going to test drive one either soon or in the spring. I live in
> Somerville MA, USA and work in Bedford MA (12 miles)
> It takes about 35-50 minutes to go that far - perfect for an electric
> car because of the stop and go.
> -
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