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I just checked my bounce score, and it's a 9 out of
10. The amount of emails getting sent to my spam
folder (actually, yahoo doesn't call it a spam folder,
but I forget right now what they call it) has dropped
by quite a bit. For a while earlier this month, they
_all_ went to that folder.

Is there anything I can do to prevent bounces to my
Yahoo account, to get my bounce score back down?

Steven Ciciora


--- "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> BTW, I just checked my test EVDL account on Yahoo.
> I have a few missing
> digests from earlier this month - on the 9th, 12th,
> and 14th.
>
> My bounce score is also 5.0 out of 10.0. This
> suggests that Yahoo may
> indeed be having some mail server problems.
>
> If you'd like to check your bounce score, log in
> here :
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> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/options/ev
>
> David Roden
> EVDL Administrator
> http://www.evdl.org/
>
>
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> Does one have to have to be an administrator to check the bounce score?
> I
> went to the options page you linked to and couldn't find it.
>

It appears that if your bounce score is zero, then the line announcing a bounce score won't even exist.

For example one of me email addresses shows the following:

<my email address> Tim Humphrey's subscription status, password, and options for the EV mailing list.

We have received some recent bounces from your address. Your current bounce score is 1.0 out of a maximum of 10.0. Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery to this address. Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are corrected soon.

While another address shows:

<my email address> Tim Humphrey's subscription status, password, and options for the EV mailing list.

And nothing else in the top section; I presume this to mean that this address has not bounced.


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"storm connors" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Does one have to have to be an administrator to check the bounce
> score? I went to the options page you linked to and couldn't find it.

If you have any current bounce score, it'll be shown right at the top of the
page. If the page doesn't say anything about your bounces, then it's zero.

On 21 Sep 2007 at 5:30, Steven Ciciora wrote:

> Is there anything I can do to prevent bounces to my
> Yahoo account, to get my bounce score back down?

I don't have an answer for this. Bounces may be inherent in operating a
very large, ad-supported ('free') mail service.

I'm not an expert in these matters, but I did a web search and ran across
this page :

http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/

I also ran across this page at Yahoo, basically advising bulk mailers on how
to cheat :

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/abuse/postmaster-01.html

I don't understand a lot of what's on that page, but between that and the
other link, I'm starting to rethink my usual recommendation that EVDL users
who are having mail problems get a Yahoo account.

There are other allegedly free mail services. Some are huge and have
privacy policies that concern some people; Gmail is an example. No
invitations are necessary now; I signed up for a test account from their
homepage.

Others are smaller but usually have limits on the amount of mail one can
store, or may make you put up with more annoying ads (popups, click-
throughs, etc.). There are some in between, such as Lycos.

I've considered opening an ad-supported account with everyone.net, for evdl
members to use. They provide 25mb mailboxes. However, I'd need to buy
another domain name since I don't want to point evdl.org at their mail
servers, and 25mb isn't much these days. What do y'all think - is it worth
it for me to spend $10 a year so a few dozen EVDL subscribers can use an ad-
supported, private label webmail, or are there already more than enough good
"free" webmail services?

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/
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Note: mail sent to "evpost" or "etpost" addresses will not
reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my
email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ .
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Mailman tells me that 27 EVDL users were disabled for bounced mail today -
an unusually high number. Twenty-seven of them were at either yahoo.com or
yahoo.co.uk domains.

The "final straw" bounce was included in each notification. Here's an
example of a bounced message's error :

----- begin quoted text -----

----- Transcript of session follows -----
<[deleted]@yahoo.co.uk>... Deferred
Message could not be delivered for 5 days
Message will be deleted from queue

--l8K7t0P4003610.1190360419/metis.sjsu.edu
Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: dns; metis.sjsu.edu
Arrival-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; [deleted]@yahoo.co.uk
Action: failed
Status: 4.4.7
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:40:19 -0700 (PDT)

----- end quoted text -----

We could configure Mailman to be even more tolerant of bounces, but I think
all that would do is increase the time before you're disabled. The real
problem is Yahoo.

I suspect - this is just a guess - that someone accidentally clicked the
Yahoo SPAM button instead of the DELETE button on an EVDL message (or
several of them). Now Yahoo is assigning mail from our servers a lower
priority. Again, this is just my guess and it could be wide of the mark.

I'll email SJSU support about this and see if they have any suggestions.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Note: mail sent to "evpost" or "etpost" addresses will not
reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my
email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ .
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


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On 22 Sep 2007 at 9:29, David Nelson wrote:

> Today I see that my yahoo account had three "new" messages
> which all arrived after the messages on the 21st but were dated before
> the 21st. This is really strange.

Not really. The mail sending program at SJSU kept trying to send those
earlier messages, which had been submitted for delivery before you stopped
the Yahoo subscription. That's normal behavior for that function. Finally
the messages got through.

I contacted SJSU support about this problem, and received this reply :

----- begin quoted text -----

Our email gateway admin noted this problem recently and has been researching
the cause. It is the mail servers that Mailman uses to transfer mail,
rather than the mailman server itself. I believe he worked with Yahoo and
made some changes last evening, I'll ask him if there have been significant
improvements.

----- end quoted text -----

If you subscribe with a Yahoo account, please keep me informed about whether
you see an improvement or not. Since this concerns a subset of the list,
you might want to email me privately. Don't reply to my sending address on
this message - I won't see it. Instead, please use my private email address
for this purpose - you'll find it at the bottom of :

http://www.evdl.org/help/

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Note: mail sent to "evpost" or "etpost" addresses will not
reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my
email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ .
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