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I just picked up a very complete, but very outdated EV conversion for a 914 from Electro Automotive. It was purchased in '07 or '08 and is an AC version of their kit. A bit of searching makes it sound underwhelming, unable to reach top speed due to thermal shutdown of the controller. There doesn't seem to be much love for these Azure Dynamics units in general. Here's hoping I'm wrong. None of the parts have ever been used, just gawked at. I'll sell it complete if someone is really that, um...excited. But expecting to part it out. Local pickup in Phoenix would be great, will ship inside the US. Warning that UPS clocked the motor at 99lbs when it originally shipped.

AC24LS 300 - 300 OBO
DMOC 445 II and all associated harnesses, ground strap, mounting feet, switch box for regen and output settings - 100 OBO
2-piece billet NEMA c-face to VW/Porsche and taper-lock coupler for 5 bolt VW/Porsche flywheel, starter block-off plate, clutch alignment and flywheel lock tools -- now also includes new Sachs Type 1 clutch and aftermarket "conversion" flywheel for Type 1 -- 300 OBO
Zivan NG3 currently setup for 144V lead-acid, but can do CC/CV at pretty much whatever voltage - 100 OBO
CC Power C400 144/12V DC/DC converter - 25 OBO
Westach ammeter gauge and shunt 200A - 10 OBO
Westach state-of-charge gauge 115V-156V - 10 OBO
23mm front torsion bars (Sway-a-way model 1923) for 914 - 75 OBO
914 coil springs (unknown rate, but presumably very heavy like the torsion bars) 40 OBO
PVC boxes and steel frames for battery mounting - FREE for local pickup

We also have a mostly-disassembled 1970 VW Beetle that's been Baja'd. Unfortunately, the rear suspension was modified to take different arms at some point and it needs regular IRS pivot pockets welded back on. We have some, but they'll require a bit more cutting, so we haven't gotten to it yet. There's no title. It's been converted to king/link pin front suspension and currently has an adjustable beam and 4-lug Karmann Ghia discs. The car still has turning/cutting brakes, tho otherwise the brake system is non-existent like the rear suspension. We've got IRS arms, axles, all the hardware, a "boxing kit" for the rear arms and gusset kit for the front. There's a T1 transaxles with hydraulic clutch. The rest of the car is a rusty, holey mess with no roof, a fiberglass front nose (lifts off) and some gross seats from a side-by-side stashed to the side. We've also got 4 steel 4-lug rear rims with some really bad tires on them. There are some other incidental new parts I haven't thought of, like a brake master, etc.
Major project, but combined the AC24LS setup and a working inverter (we have some Prius stuff, but it's not in a working state yet) and it's mostly just work to put this together and have some quiet fun on the trails.
We'd take about 1500 including the AC24LS ready to bolt in, a Prius inverter and a not-quite-working evbmw mod board for it. Located in Phoenix, but we have a trailer this would fit on...

Open to trades for overpowered electric go-kart appropriate stuff, especially something liquid cooled like an ME-1616 or maybe even a Leaf motor??

Thanks! Just send a PM if anything looks good!

Jim
 

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Still have this stuff? I have a 72v dc motor, a Warp9 motor and Evnetics Soliton JR setup if interested in trade. Could pu I'm in LA area.
 

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Still have this stuff? I have a 72v dc motor, a Warp9 motor and Evnetics Soliton JR setup if interested in trade. Could pu I'm in LA area.
The shocks, struts and poly bushings were sold, used a bit of the loose wire. I started to recycle a few of the steel bits for my elec burnout go kart (clearance grinding on something listed as a motor mount, a few extra holes in some angle steel, etc.) but it's still usable or easily replaceable. Everything else is still here, but a couple folks have asked about the motor/controller combo. Pick up would be great, but I have a trailer so could deliver or meet part way also. Shoot me a message.
 

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Its not that no one wants one. The problem is if it has all the accompanying software for the controller. Without the matching software the controller is pretty much a brick. I have one of these in my 914 I purchased early in the year and I did get the original software but the problem is that the software is matched to the controller. It's part of the kit. Do you have the software for the controller? It would be a great kit to put into a Bug.
 

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Its not that no one wants one. The problem is if it has all the accompanying software for the controller. Without the matching software the controller is pretty much a brick. I have one of these in my 914 I purchased early in the year and I did get the original software but the problem is that the software is matched to the controller. It's part of the kit. Do you have the software for the controller? It would be a great kit to put into a Bug.
Hmm, bummer but not a shock. Thanks for that info. Nope, no software. Hopefully the folks that originally bought the kit still have it and will answer my messages. :) I assumed the controller would have already been programmed for the motor it came with, but also figured there was a good chance the controller would be scrapped for parts to make another controller, a charger...who knows. Hence the "it's a crapshoot" pricing. Might get really ambitious and try to power it up on the bench and connect with a terminal just to see. Will update the post if so or I get any response from the original owner.

Good call on a Bug for this. If the controller happens to just work by some miracle, I was thinking Baja. Cutting the back of the car off turned out to be great way to eliminate the EFI-specific engine tin on my old '75 and fix its cooling issues. Figured it would work pretty well for the DMOC too. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Let me know if you get that software for the controller.
Nope, they don't have software. I'm charging batteries and looking at the wiring diagrams in hopes of bench-testing it.

Promised on another forum to ask someone with the AC 914 conversion: Will it do a burnout?
 

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Will it do a burnout? Not likely. I purchased my 914 from the person who built it. It is not a road demon. I'd say more like stock at best. Remember, these were built long before Tesla and it was also one of the first home conversion AC setups besides those that others custom cobbled together. I think the controller is the limiting factor. I was thinking of using one of my Curtis AC controllers attached to this to see what it can do with more amperage and voltage. I have a DMOC 644 and think I'll use it for the power section and do an aftermarket inverter motherboard and drivers. Might. It is time consuming and I have plenty to do right now. But connecting the Curtis AC inverter might be a quickie test. I'd be interested in the motor and adapter if you decide to not keep it. The inverter is pretty much a brick but internal components could be scavenged for other projects. Im not looking for a screamer but a nice stocker for a VW bug. I'll be taking the 914 out for a spin on the property soon. I'll let you know how the low end grunt works out with this setup.
 

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I was thinking of using one of my Curtis AC controllers attached to this to see what it can do with more amperage and voltage.
Wasn't aware that was a practical possibility. I presumed they wouldn't speak whatever encoding the motor uses. The AC stuff is pretty mysterious to me still. I happened on this kit while looking for bigger/badder DC parts for my little go kart project, intending to learn my way up the ladder. If you want any of it, send me an offer. It's not precious to me, just a possible future project I don't have time for either.
 

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Found the original receipt which says this is the slightly better(?) AC24LS motor. Still have all of and would pretty happily give it up as I'm currently smitten with building electric go-karts and very busy with work. Now also have a clutch and "conversion" flywheel that will let you stick it in a bug transmission. I suppose when it comes down to it, I also have a bug transmission with a fair amount of VW Baja (no title, needs IRS pivot mounts welded back on) attached, and a bunch of new parts for that whole mess as well. Also at least one Gen 3 Prius inverter and several (to varying degrees of repairability) non-op EVBMW boards for them. I'll update the original post...
 

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Wasn't aware that was a practical possibility. I presumed they wouldn't speak whatever encoding the motor uses. The AC stuff is pretty mysterious to me still. I happened on this kit while looking for bigger/badder DC parts for my little go kart project, intending to learn my way up the ladder. If you want any of it, send me an offer. It's not precious to me, just a possible future project I don't have time for either.
There is also an DIY controller from Johannes Hubner that should do the trick talking to the motor. You would need to build out the power section but I do believe it will work with most encoders that motors have. Im going to try a Curtis AC motor controller with my industrial AC induction motor I have. I do know the Curtis controllers work with many industrial AC induction motors and the AC24 is such a beast. There are options available to allow the continued use of these old systems that no longer have the original software to work with the DMOC controllers.
 

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There is also an DIY controller from Johannes Hubner
Yep, got to that conclusion eventually and thought about using the DMOC power stage for a while. The EVBMW mod board for the Prius inverter uses the openinverter software and the Prius power stage. Would be overkill for this, but are bulletproof and proven, plus all the other benefits like DC/DC and charging. Sadly I sold my only fully working board and haven't fixed one of the others due to time, but Damien is testing another improved design currently anyway. Using the DMOC power stage has probably been done but there's no drop-in openinverter board.
 
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