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I'm finishing a 30kwh battery pack for a leaf+openinverter. I use Audi e-tron modules, 11v nom, 240ah. Controlled by an Ennoid LV BMS (up to 150V). The setup is 36s.
We decided to test the new Kelly OBC + DC/DC for charging the pack and supplying 12v DC. I talked to Kelly about using three chargers in parallel and got a green light from Kelly to do so.
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The Ennoid BMS has the option to use a separate charging relay that is triggered by the BMS when the charger starts. The relay is also used to disconnect the charger if a cell voltage or temp reaches a configured threshold.

I used a littlefuse rated for 900V DC and 50A cont. as a charging relay.

The first thing I noticed was that the chargers have a very high inrush current on the DC-side. There is no soft start or pre-charge done when the charger is connected. Kelly instructed me that DC should be connected before AC but this made no difference to the inrush. The inrush current welded my littlefuse charge relay on the second charge test.


Video:
http://media3.wildtech.eu/2022/01/flash.mp4



I did some measurements and the charger has approx. 600uf capacitors on the DC-side and there is a 4Mohm resistor between + and – to drain the caps when the charger is disconnected. There is no internal relay that disconnects the charger from the battery so there is a potential problem with phantom drain if connected at al time.

After a few tests, and flashes, the charger gave up and now when it is connected it just switches on/off in a loop:
Video:
http://media3.wildtech.eu/2022/01/broke1.mp4

The second charger was DOA and I triggered both the 230V fuse and the earth leakage circuit breaker when connected to AC.
Video:
http://media3.wildtech.eu/2022/01/broke2.mp4

I never got to testing the DC/DC-part.

I’ve informed Kelly about every step and recommended a redesign and some quality testing before shipping out the products. I like the idea about having charger and DC/DC in the same unit and if done correctly it would be a very nice product.

I’d advice anyone who’s thinking about buying this charger to first contact Kelly and make sure that they sorted out their problems before ordering.

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Rikard
 

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The relay in your BMS is likely a dry contact to control the charger as a logic signal or to run the coil on a battery contactor, not as a charge current interrupter.

The inrush current on the DC side is irrelevant because the charger is a hardwired connection in most circumstances though a battery contactor, not your puny BMS relay. This is why they said connect DC before AC. Nothing stopping you from precharging those caps to protect your contactor.

The notion of 4M ohms being a phantom drain on the battery at 100 microamps is ludicrous.

Part of the problem may be Kelly's, but most that I see is bad application understanding & design on your side of the fence.
 

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Hey Remy,

Thanks for the feedback.

The realy is a charge current enabler/interrupter as seen here:


I asked regarding the charger being connected at all times and and Kellys support specifically told me that the battery should be disconnected from the DC-side. After I informed them about the inrush they changed their mind.

A manual precharge is doable but the problem is the low build quality. Two out of three are gone after 2-3 hours of charging.

BR

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I see. So that is an external charge contactor, not a relay onboard the BMS, which is what it sounded like.

That said, you (the BMS) should remotely be turning the charger on and off before actuating or deactuating the contactor. Breaking the contactor while current is flowing should be a last resort, not normal operation. A good way to fry the charger output is to suddenly drop the load.

Kelly should also have a bleed or protection circuit on their output filter caps. A softstart on the charge current is also a nice to do. This isn't their first rodeo, so all of it is, frankly, surprising.
 

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Have a google of "Kelly controller disassembly", you are somewhat playing with fire when putting this gear on a car that could be left powered up and unattended for long periods. The small price of the equipment is reflected in the quality of the design and componentry inside. Does your house insurance cover a fire started by a 200 dollar Alibaba-quality charger? I'd suggest being very careful of the unintended consequences here.
 

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I see. So that is an external charge contactor, not a relay onboard the BMS, which is what it sounded like.

That said, you (the BMS) should remotely be turning the charger on and off before actuating or deactuating the contactor. Breaking the contactor while current is flowing should be a last resort, not normal operation. A good way to fry the charger output is to suddenly drop the load.

Kelly should also have a bleed or protection circuit on their output filter caps. A softstart on the charge current is also a nice to do. This isn't their first rodeo, so all of it is, frankly, surprising.
Yes, can is the way forward I guess. Ennoid just implemented can support for tc-charger so I might go that route.

I share you suprise, new product and all. the funny thing is it says "no arc" on the 12V side :) Never got to try that.
 

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Have a google of "Kelly controller disassembly", you are somewhat playing with fire when putting this gear on a car that could be left powered up and unattended for long periods. The small price of the equipment is reflected in the quality of the design and componentry inside. Does your house insurance cover a fire started by a 200 dollar Alibaba-quality charger? I'd suggest being very careful of the unintended consequences here.
I know that their reputation isn’t the best but I figured I would give it a try since it’s a new product and all. I guess I thought they would have done more. At least now we know :)
 
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