[lorraine]

Hi all,

Headway 38120L/38120S/38120P cells are all available now!!

The detailed specifications of these cells,please find in attachment.

Lorraine --Xinghai Energy
email: [email protected]
MSN: [email protected]

 

[Little-Acorn]

Sorry for the (slight) change in subject. But are the 40160 (20Ah or 16Ah) cells available?

Thanks!

 

[frodus]

I talked to someone direct at headway on Monday. Currently the 12Ah and 16Ah are not in production. There was a small sample run. They plan on being in full production with in 1-2 months.....earlier if possible.

 

[CroDriver]

Just a warn:

I Tested the 10 Ah and 12 Ah cells. The 12 Ah cells have lower C capabilities than the 10 Ah. The voltage of the 12 Ah cells drops below 2V at 9C.

 

[frodus]

how'd you test that 9C discharge Crodriver? Got a graph?

 

[CroDriver]

how'd you test that 9C discharge Crodriver? Got a graph?

I have tested it with a simple load and a cycle analyst. Today a friend of mine tested it with professional equipment and confirmed my results.

I have recorded the data from my test, I'll have to find it. Here is a graph of my friend:

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=15942

He also told me that he felt some vibration in the cell when discharged at high currents (?!).

We know that it has some kind of valve for high pressure protection inside. Maybe the vibration is related to the valve.

 

[frodus]

good info, but realize, the 12 and 16Ah cells are not in full consumer production.... it was a test run. There were some issues with the 16Ah cells too.

I remember when there were issues with the 10Ah cells and it seems like they've gotten much better.

 

[Little-Acorn]

I talked to someone direct at headway on Monday. Currently the 12Ah and 16Ah are not in production. There was a small sample run. They plan on being in full production with in 1-2 months.....earlier if possible.

Thank you, frodus. Hopefully the 16Ah cells (are these 40160S cells?) will come out in time for your next boat shipment of other cells!

 

[pgt400]

I remember when there were issues with the 10Ah cells and it seems like they've gotten much better.

Yes, we can't wait to get confirmation on the new cells performance from someone incorporating them into something bigger then an e-bike...hint hint

 

[Little-Acorn]

Yes, we can't wait to get confirmation on the new cells performance from someone incorporating them into something bigger then an e-bike...hint hint

I'll settle for getting the word from someone who put them in an ebike.

In fact, I'll volunteer to be the one!

 

[frodus]

Yes, we can't wait to get confirmation on the new cells performance from someone incorporating them into something bigger then an e-bike...hint hint

haha, i'm workin on it, workin on it. Had to bail out a customer that needed cells ASAP.... so my 200 38120S cells had to get sold they're being replaced with the same 38120S cells.

 

[Little-Acorn]

haha, i'm workin on it, workin on it. Had to bail out a customer that needed cells ASAP.... so my 200 cells had to get sold they're being replaced with the 10Ah cells.

Hey!

Travis, you wouldn't happen to have sixteen more 40160 cells sitting around after tests, would you?

Do you take CASH?

I'd love to be able to get started sizing my battery boxes, mounts etc.

KnowWhatAhMean?

 

[frodus]

Hey!

Travis, you wouldn't happen to have sixteen more 40160 cells sitting around after tests, would you?

Do you take CASH?

I'd love to be able to get started sizing my battery boxes, mounts etc.

KnowWhatAhMean?

I never had any of the 40160.... this entire thread is about the 38120 cells....... I had 200 38120S cells and had to get rid of them....reread what I posted.

Headway made a very few 40160 cells, and those are gone. They won't be in production for another month or two.

 

[Little-Acorn]

I never had any of the 40160.... this entire thread is about the 38120 cells....... I had 200 38120S cells and had to get rid of them....reread what I posted.

Headway made a very few 40160 cells, and those are gone. They won't be in production for another month or two.

OK, thanks. Just wanted to check and make sure.

 

[pgt400]

Has anyone ever purchased cells from Lorraine? He states he's a Headway direct employee...have not seen any posts from him laterly?

 

[EVComponents]

Has anyone ever purchased cells from Lorraine? He states he's a Headway direct employee...have not seen any posts from him laterly?

They all claim that.

It is a China tradition for reselllers to pretend to western customers that they are the factory. It is not true for most of them.

Victoria is definitely not a Headway employee. We have confirmed that directly with the Headway factory that we purchase in bulk from.

The advantage with buying from EV Components (USA distributor) is that we do warranty the cells and will deal with the factory for you on the replacements.

As an individual, it is very tough to deal with the factory for a warranty claim on a small order. Headway responds to us when we make a claim because they want me to purchase large qunatities again in the future.

 

[pgt400]

Probably true that they both don't work for Headway directly, but also true is that Victoria or Lorraine can deliver by air in 6-7 days AND for less money then EVC with their typical 2-3 month delivery. Granted the difference in money is only ~$2-$3/cell, but the delivery difference is HUGE. Has EVC ever considered selling with an Air Shipment option?

They all claim that.

It is a China tradition for reselllers to pretend to western customers that they are the factory. It is not true for most of them.

Victoria is definitely not a Headway employee. We have confirmed that directly with the Headway factory that we purchase in bulk from.

The advantage with buying from EV Components (USA distributor) is that we do warranty the cells and will deal with the factory for you on the replacements.

As an individual, it is very tough to deal with the factory for a warranty claim on a small order. Headway responds to us when we make a claim because they want me to purchase large qunatities again in the future.

 

[frodus]

Probably true that they both don't work for Headway directly, but also true is that Victoria or Lorraine can deliver by air in 6-7 days AND for less money then EVC with their typical 2-3 month delivery. Granted the difference in money is only ~$2-$3/cell, but the delivery difference is HUGE. Has EVC ever considered selling with an Air Shipment option?

6-7 days, but not legally! (http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11211&hilit=shipping+lithium)
We don't want to risk shipping illegally via air to the US. We ship via sea freight and ground for all of our US orders. There is no UN testing done on these Headway cells, so for anything over 3 cells worth of lithium, guess what, you're the importer on record, so you could be liable for these fines. ANY Air distribution done to the US or inside the US, has to be documented as Hazmat class 9 and have the UN testing done and have a trained packer (specially trained to ship/package lithium). Be careful, If you're in the US, you could get a knock on your door and some heavy fines following. The laws went into effect late 2009/early 2010. I've called and verified with 3 different people. Victoria and Lorraine (and headway, and TS, and SE are untouchable, since their jurisdiction is US only.... but they could be on a watch list if discovered).


Also, there is no warranty support with Victoria or Lorraine, and it gets very expensive when shipping large quantities. EVC has had Headways in stock for over 4 months, typical delivery times under 2 weeks for the loose cells and Packs we have in stock. The leadtime for TS and SE cells is 2-3 months, not Headway.

http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11211&hilit=shipping+lithium

 

[pgt400]

Not true, I know several people that have gotten warranty replacement from Victoria. Last month I contacted EVC for 16 Headway cells...no stock, so I got from another source (paid more).

"Also, there is no warranty support with Victoria or Lorraine, and it gets very expensive when shipping large quantities. EVC has had Headways in stock for over 4 months, typical delivery times under 2 weeks for the loose cells and Packs we have in stock."

 

[EVComponents]

Also, there is no warranty support with Victoria or Lorraine, and it gets very expensive when shipping large quantities.

EVC has had Headways in stock for over 4 months, typical delivery times under 2 weeks for the loose cells and Packs we have in stock. The leadtime for TS and SE cells is 2-3 months, not Headway.

That is correct. We have several hundred of the Headway 38120S cells in stock (Seattle warehouse) ready for quick ground shipping in the USA.

I am now starting our next bulk import order with Headway. So hopefully we will be consistently keeping them in stock for quick shipping.