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GM set up a prototype Hummer EV and a Hummer EV chassis (vehicle without the body), and let the creator of the Engineering Explained videos (Jason Fenske) take a tour. His comments don't add much, except in the battery configuration description, the gearing, and one protective feature, but it's the most detailed look at the Hummer EV that I have seen yet.

Hummer EV First Look! All The Details Of GMC's All-Electric Supertruck

Some interesting bits, specific to the EV aspects:

Motors
  • separate left and right rear motors, driving through fixed 10.5:1 reduction ratio
  • single front motor, driving through fixed 13.3:1 reduction ratio and electronically controlled differential
  • all motors 250 kW and about 335 lb-ft (peak) output each
  • motor torque limited to protect CV joints when wheels are not steering straight
  • virtual (and generally pointless) rear differential lock function available by dash switch
  • inverters mounted directly on top of motors
Battery
  • 2 layers of 12 modules each
  • all modules with pouch cells in vertical plane
  • 24 cells per module
  • ~100 Ah per cell
  • wireless communication between BMS master and slaves
Operating configuration:
  • 96S or 400 volts (maximum)
  • 2P [ 12S { 8S 3P } ]
where
{ } is the module​
[ ] is a string of modules​

Charging configuration:
  • 96S operating configuration, or
  • 2S [ 12S { 8S 3P } ], for an overall 192S or 800 volts (maximum) when connected to 800 V charger
  • Yes, they have include contactors to reconfigure the two strings as parallel for operation and most charging, but in series for charging from a high-power 800 volt DC charger.
My Comments
  • The module configuration and arrangement in the pack are generally similar to the Bolt, but with
    • fewer cells in series per module and so more module, and
    • two complete full-voltage strings
  • This size of module will not be useful for many high-voltage DIY conversions, because a set to produce 360 V (nominal) will be large (over 100 kWh); it may be useful for low-voltage conversion, with a 32S system requiring only four modules.
  • The 500 kW dual motor rear drive unit could be interesting for a high-performance DIY car.
  • Fenske attributes the single front motor (instead of dual independent motors like at the rear) to the lack of traction to use more power. That's sort of valid, but not the real reason...
    • GM has three sizes of motor available, and could have used two smaller motors instead of one of the largest size;
    • however, 2 smaller inverters plus 2 smaller motors plus 2 reduction gearboxes is more expensive than one larger inverter plus one larger motor plus one reduction gearbox plus a differential, and
    • also, it is generally undesirable to apply unequal torque to the front wheels, so at the front it is better in most cases to just back off the power and let a simple differential keep the wheel torque equal.
 

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Yeah, I generally skipped the features that were not EV-specific, although I missed the goofy headlight bar graphs, and didn't mention the obvious "showoff" mode.

The rear tires don't steer that much - the four wheel steering (4WS) section starts at 4:38, and he says in the crab mode part that the rears can only steer 10 degrees or so, which is typical of 4WS systems. Crab mode could be handy, but few of many 4WS road vehicles made so far bother to include it. GM themselves did 4WS on a previous truck - the Quadrasteer option for full-size pickups of 2002 to 2005 - and even though the 4WS system was entirely electronically controlled (no mechanical connection to the front steering), they didn't provide any manual tweaking or mode selection and just set rear steer angle based on front steer angle and road speed. Quadrasteer was capable of up to 15 degrees steering angle - a lot more than the Hummer EV allows.
 

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Most of the cars with 4WS today have the rear steer about 3-5 degrees, while newer ones are starting to get more angle (e.g. 2021 Mercedes Benz S-Class).
True, I should have checked my numbers - 10 degrees is actually high compared to most on-road systems. :)

4WS was popular briefly starting in the late 1980's, then vanished, and has come back more recently.
 

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If the truck has 35 inch tall tires, and a top speed of (as an example guess) 150 km/h, then
maximum wheel speed = 41.7 m/s / pi*0.89 m = 14.9 rev/s = ~900 RPM​
maximum rear motor speed = 900 RPM * 10.5 = 9,450 RPM​
maximum front motor speed = 900 RPM * 13.3 = 11,970 RPM​

Those are reasonable motor speeds, but they're only approximations for a guess at a top speed.

We could also speculate on the reasons for the different ratios front and rear (despite these being identical motors and both truck-specific drive units), or whether we should actually believe the ratio information (which is through Fenske, not direct from GM).
 

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Now that I think about it, it might crab at low speed in trailering mode. I'll get back to you on that one.
I haven't looked it up yet, but behaviour might be different in forward and reverse, although that would be problematic when switching between them with the front wheels not straight ahead. Also, desired behaviour may be different between towing with a hitch at the bumper (conventional trailer) or over the axle (fifth-wheel/gooseneck).
 

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That model and brand of tires are speed rating Q (99 MPH), so your numbers are pretty darned close.

GM's lawyers have speed limited pickups to 95MPH in the past, so you might even have nailed it.
Interesting... I just picked that speed as all that is needed on North American highways, and consistent with other EVs. Good to know that it's probably a reasonable guess. :)
 

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The ratio difference could be for motor use optimization; however, I suspect that like the Tesla Performance models, it's just accidental...

At Tesla, the difference is the result of using a small front drive unit (designed for use with the small rear drive unit having the same reduction ratio) with the large rear drive unit (with a different motor and ratio, borrowed from the RWD variant).

In the Hummer EV, perhaps the front gearbox is shared with other coming non-truck models that are geared for a higher top speed.
 
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