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Hi all,

I'm on my way back home from the Salt Flats, Bonneville, UT. It has been a grueling 5 days. But rewarding. The Lightning electric motorcycle set both the FIM and AMA records.

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forum...ric-motorcycle-sets-new-land-speed-49179.html

BTW, I rated that thread five stars because of the picture :)

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/bub-speed-trials-lightning-motoczysz-preview/

176+ mph on the return run. Not too shabby.

major
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Well done, very impressive speed/bike indeed.

Steve
Sweet - congrats to the #80 team!
Thanks to the few that care about such things. I am amazed at the lack of interest. Make a record in electric drag racing and you get tons of comments and controversy. Set a LSR and 3 guys pat you on the back. Go figure :confused:

Anyway, that's not why I did it. It's a personal thing with me. I just thought I'd share, which isn't really my style either. But I'm gettin' older and softenin' up.

I guess these following thoughts go for the road race circuit (TTXGP & FIM) as well as LSR. These are the good old days. There are pretty much no rules. Yeah, the AMA and FIM scrutineers look the bike over, check the brakes and safety wire, and maybe weigh it, but that's it. Oh yeah, they check the rider's suit and helmet. Win, and maybe they weigh you again, but it is basically straight to the podium or record book. This makes it damn hard to cheat :) Just kidding. My priorities are always: 1) Safety 2) Rules 3) Winning.

But without a bunch of RULES, there exists tremendous opportunity for innovation.

The Lightning bike set the world Land Speed Record (LSR) for electric motorcycles in the 300kg class at 173 and change. I am proud to have been a part of that effort. I cannot foresee history. I have no idea whether this record will stand for 1 week or 20 years. The Lightning team considered it a success, topping the previous 150 mph, but nevertheless, felt defeated by the salt at the end of the session because we felt we could have done better. We really wanted to push on Mr. 200's door.

My point here is to tell you to get off your butts and try something exciting. There were three electric motorcycles on the Flats last week. Yeah, the Lightning topped MotoCzysz, but the other guy was Ben and his father-in-law from Indiana with a sidecar MC. Just a 48V PM motor and Lithium battery. Did like 67 mph. But got the record for the class. Nothing wrong with that :D Two guys in a van willing to drive 26 hours and have some fun go home with a LSR record.

Build something and race it ;)

major
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Well done, congratulate and it a nice looking bike too.
Thanks to the few that care about such things. I am amazed at the lack of interest. Make a record in electric drag racing and you get tons of comments and controversy. Set a LSR and 3 guys pat you on the back. Go figure :confused:
I think it's the nature of the land speed record in general. Though the achievement is impressive it doesn't present the same visceral excitement as drag racing. Similar reason why a 0-60 time is more important to most than top speed, one you can use in the real world, the other, not so much. My FJ1100 would do about 150, but I never had a chance to go above 140, and that only once.
Also, the thread is in the Motorcycle section, which is appropriate, but probably would have gotten more play in the General section.
Congratulations, that's awesome. I wish I wasn't so busy with my car, I would have love to have gone. Are you going to be out Sep. 15 for WoS?

Another factor is there are many drag strips, not very many land speed venues!

Major, FWIW, I think it might help if you did a little build-up before an event. It seems like I hear that your team or BYU or Ohio state just did a record -- it would be great to hear an attempt was being made beforehand, too.

My piddly land speed run last year got it's biggest response for http://www.ecomodder.com of all places -- they loved how I did things on the cheap and that I towed the vehicle to high speed charge it.
Thanks to the few that care about such things. I am amazed at the lack of interest. Make a record in electric drag racing and you get tons of comments and controversy. Set a LSR and 3 guys pat you on the back. Go figure :confused: ...
Major, FWIW, I think it might help if you did a little build-up before an event
Thanks David. I tried to give notice about the TTXGP races. They had a schedule ahead of time. Other times I get short notice, like this last trip to the Flats. And I don't think WoS is on our ticket, but I won't know for sure until it happens.

major
Thanks to the few that care about such things. I am amazed at the lack of interest. Make a record in electric drag racing and you get tons of comments and controversy. Set a LSR and 3 guys pat you on the back. Go figure :confused:


The Lightning bike set the world Land Speed Record (LSR) for electric motorcycles in the 300kg class at 173 and change. I am proud to have been a part of that effort. I cannot foresee history. I have no idea whether this record will stand for 1 week or 20 years. The Lightning team considered it a success, topping the previous 150 mph, but nevertheless, felt defeated by the salt at the end of the session because we felt we could have done better. We really wanted to push on Mr. 200's door.


major
Hi major,
Can you post a pointer to the technical details on the bike.
Gerhard
Well done major! I hadn't realised you were involved in the new record. What's your role in the team?
Hi major,
Can you post a pointer to the technical details on the bike.
Gerhard
He could, but he won't ;) Can't give the competition any secrets you know.
He could, but he won't ;) Can't give the competition any secrets you know.
Yeah, the boss got on my case about it at the first race. I'm just the tuner, sometimes called crew chief, sometimes I am the crew. The bike is based out of the bay area in California. I'm in Ohio. We have a few sponsors for in-kind (equipment or parts) and expertise, but really no funding source except for our pockets. So travel is a considerable burden.

Back to the bike. It is a custom designed chassis around the motor and battery primarily. These are the two largest package issues. The motor is a salvaged Delphi (GM) EV1 motor circa 1997. Water cooled cast-in jacket with oil lubed/cooled bearings. In the EV1 ran with a 312 (Pb-Acid) or 343V (NiMH) battery and carried a 100 kW rating. Our voltage is nearly the same. We can run it to 12,000 RPM. We have a direct drive, no shifting, double reduction, cog belt primary, chain to the wheel system which can give us various ratios from like about 3 to 6 : 1.

Controller is a flux vector IGBT drive adapted with the help of Balqon. It is water cooled and maybe about half the size of the EV1 controller but we push it hard, so well above half of that rating, maybe nearing full rating. We do use regen off the twist throttle but not too heavy as not to break the rear loose. Gives similar torque as engine braking.

Battery is A123 pouch cells, 216 of them in 2P/108S packaged in three boxes to fit frame of bike. Cells are 16 Ahr. Elithion BMS.

Makes for a big, but fast bike. Just a hair over 600 lbs.

Want to know more, come to a race and see it. All the events so far have open paddock and spectators are welcome to talk to the crews.

Thanks for the interest,

major
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That's a good bit of information, hope you don't get in trouble :eek: ;)
So is the Lightning going to be a production bike? Obviously not with an EV1 motor. Not much info on the site, in fact nothing at all:
http://www.lightningmotorcycle.com/
So is the Lightning going to be a production bike? Obviously not with an EV1 motor. Not much info on the site, in fact nothing at all:
http://www.lightningmotorcycle.com/
Yeah, too busy racing to mess with the site ;) Richard has plans for production bikes, including one similar to #80 (note: have to use #8881 for LSR events, but is the same bike).
The bike has conventional right hand/foot front/rear brakes - what's the left side of his body doing, other than hanging on? :D
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I like this photo.



Our rider is Paul Thede of Race Tech. Good opportunity for me to thank him publicly. Great job, Paul. And thanks for thrashing on the bike inbetween runs. Remember the "long hose". :cool:

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The bike has conventional right hand/foot front/rear brakes - what's the left side of his body doing, other than hanging on? :D
Nothing. We get him for half price :rolleyes:
I like this photo.



Our rider is Paul Thede of Race Tech. Good opportunity for me to thank him publicly. Great job, Paul. And thanks for thrashing on the bike inbetween runs. Remember the "long hose". :cool:

Lovely photo, Save it as Desktop Background:D
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