If you're going to leave out the iron (Fe), why not leave out the oxygen as well, and call it LiP? Just kidding... use the standard name.LIPO4 can be used for LFP, nothing to do with LiPo form factor
Hi, am interested to know where FLA lasts 10 years, but yeah, a forklift?. I guess it depends upon the application, but apples to apples, Lithium wins for golf carts. Prices may be inflated elsewhere, but I am talking $900 for Trojans, and only $1700 for drop-in ready Lithium which will do the same job (Straight from China, Canadian prices) .Yes propulsion C-rates change the picture a lot, too much variability even within a single use case to get much "objective" hard data.
The problem in NA market is such incredible good value FLA lead units
I know plenty of decade+
and AGM available far superior to what the rest of the world gets
our LFP distribution channels are so immature
even including higher % usable amps
without counting infrastructure costs like BMS relays switches CP chargers balancers etc
you're talking 6-10x the cost of lead!
Very risky when ROI takes multiple decades.
The only compelling factor is longer range vs weight/space taken
even in the boating world, racing is the only case where there is an "economic" argument.
Or maybe fast charging, but golf cars not so much.
As stated, many references and vendors use that termLiPO4 still means nothing.
No, House batteries, non propulsion use cases, as I stated where average loads are very low C-rate, peaks of maybe 0.6C, usually well under 0.1CHi, am interested to know where FLA lasts 10 years, but yeah, a forklift?
Hi John,No, House batteries, non propulsion use cases, as I stated where average loads are very low C-rate, peaks of maybe 0.6C, usually well under 0.1C
Avg DoD% kept 40-60%, shallower the better, only deeper in occasional emergency situations.
Charging might be solar, or alternator while traveling, wind or a genset while off grid, rarely over 0.4C rate.
But very reliably getting to 100% Full, as per endAmps spec, at least a few times per week if not every cycle.
Properly broken in and well maintained, preventing any "unexpected events".
I've seen a few hit 15-17 year lifespans even cycled daily, but by then getting below the usual 70% SoH EoL point.
Of course excellent quality FLA to start with, much higher priced than 6V golf car style, but "only" 8-10 years on those.
Certainly not 12V, certainly not automotive channels nor form factors, not Wally's or Costco stuff.
Such quality FLA lasts much much longer than any AGM, also less fussy about precise care factors
Rolls / Surrette being a leading example, big 2V cells if the bank gets big enough.
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Are you the Jim who started Go Electric up in Calgary?:I used to have a business selling imported off-lease EVs and we established a conversion business
Wow, I'm surprised anyone read it, but that is me. I'm not part of that Gig anymore, but still on good terms. Our plan was for a Makerspace, as well as custom conversions, and although it is not making a profit yet, that is what is happening down there. 7,000sq-ft workshop below GoElectric (with a car lift) called the EV Underground, or EV-U.Are you the Jim who started Go Electric up in Calgary?:
Jim Steil, co-owner of used-EV store GoElectric in Calgary, sells and leases vehicles with all-in pricing and a 90-day buy-back guarantee. His electric vehicles sourced from California were heavily subsidized, which means there’s money to be made on them.canada.autonews.com
I remember this making the waves here a couple years ago, I actually seem to recall the founder posting here, but maybe I'm mistaken, maybe it was just posted as a news item.
Conversion businesses seem to have been the thing 10 years ago, when there was lots of money to be made, before OEM EVs had a lot of traction. Now that every company is making EVs and prioritizing them, it's less special and less worth the mid-5-figure budgets to pull it off. Still a few around, but most seem to be on the budget end of things, not something you'd make a go of at a shop.