[rbgrn]

I'd like to write an article on how the proposed stimulus plan may impact EVs. Does anyone know anything about it right now? Are there any good links or info on this?

Thanks

 

[Technologic]

I'd like to write an article on how the proposed stimulus plan may impact EVs. Does anyone know anything about it right now? Are there any good links or info on this?

Thanks

Sure are...

apparently my hydrologist degree is about to start getting paid triple what I could have made a year ago (upwards of 190k from a 4 year degree starting salary).

Yay for people who hate oceanography. It was already one of the most grossly overpaid public service jobs, but watch the prices triple soon once 4 billion dollars are shoved into watershed, geological surveys etc.

Hydrologists are like 0.001% of the career ladder...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/24/house-stimulus-bill-full_n_160569.html

roughly 6 billion-8billion dollars is going to environmental research... one of my bachelors will be worth more than a doctorate in medicine soon

MUCH of that research is specifically in hydrogology (probably the single smallest field of science currently). Watershed, basin drainage, etc... if you check out www.usajobs.com the market has already almost gained a 20% increase in price offerings for even inexperienced hydrologists. I could easily see that tripling in price in a year. (which would mean a supervisory hydrologist with a masters could be making over 300k/yr)

 

[LeTank]

Sure are...

apparently my hydrologist degree is about to start getting paid triple what I could have made a year ago (upwards of 190k from a 4 year degree starting salary).

Yay for people who hate oceanography. It was already one of the most grossly overpaid public service jobs, but watch the prices triple soon once 4 billion dollars are shoved into watershed, geological surveys etc.

Hydrologists are like 0.001% of the career ladder...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/24/house-stimulus-bill-full_n_160569.html

roughly 6 billion-8billion dollars is going to environmental research... one of my bachelors will be worth more than a doctorate in medicine soon

MUCH of that research is specifically in hydrogology (probably the single smallest field of science currently). Watershed, basin drainage, etc... if you check out www.usajobs.com the market has already almost gained a 20% increase in price offerings for even inexperienced hydrologists. I could easily see that tripling in price in a year. (which would mean a supervisory hydrologist with a masters could be making over 300k/yr)

Technologic, Dream that little dream, the economic meltdown will snowball into every field and cutbacks are more likely.

As for the Stimulis plan, so far 200 million is for sprucing up the White House Mall and the rest is still being argued about on both sides where to spend the money. I do hope for the best and perhaps more will go into solar, wind, EV research (batteries, supercaps, etc.), but it is hard to say what they feel is more important at this time.

 

[Technologic]

Technologic, Dream that little dream, the economic meltdown will snowball into every field and cutbacks are more likely.

As for the Stimulis plan, so far 200 million is for sprucing up the White House Mall and the rest is still being argued about on both sides where to spend the money. I do hope for the best and perhaps more will go into solar, wind, EV research (batteries, supercaps, etc.), but it is hard to say what they feel is more important at this time.

lol it's not my dream to see hydrology become a 300k/yr position... I don't think it should be. I just find it funny as I never intended to use my degrees at least from undergraduate.

 

[GTWCMT]

roughly 6 billion-8billion dollars is going to environmental research

The enviroment is a balanced ecosphere that has eveloved over millions of years.
The planet through research has moved on its axis around the sun with it not round and therefore each year our weather patterns change, as time goes by these will be more noticeable depending on the orbit at the time.

We have found that the rising temperatures are a natural occurrence where the planet earth is destabilising from an ice age. The earth we know today was once called Pangea and the oceans were shallow and the land mass above the water level was lower, we can see this when we dig into the ground and find fossil marine life.

During the recorded mini Ice age, this would have been significant with around the middle period of the recovery, as you would find the icing if you were to melt ice with salt, where it reaches a point where it freezes for a period of time but melts either side of these periods.

The claimant change is based on various reasons and causes, but none are more president that the normal cycle of the earth and the solar system.
As we have invented time and calendars, we have become reliant of these inaccurate measures to tell our seasons apart. For example Autumn is a wet time of year that spans 2.5 months and is followed by winter. This type of calendar has 365 days which is meant to show the earth revolutions around the sun. how ever this is not correct and each year this changes. As science tells us, the sun is a major factor, with solar flares heating the atmosphere leading to claimant change, The other effect is the moon, as we already know the moon alters the tides of the oceans around the world.

The combination and alteration of these bodies alter the world as we know, the longer you live, the more that the changes will become apparent.

Co2 emissions. Studies have found that CO2 is not an effective gas that causes the coined green house gasses, In research, it was noticed at plant life in CO2 rich environments grow at a faster rate absorbing the CO2. The oceans are one of the larges storages of CO2 and more emissions are pushed from a volcano in 20 minutes than human kind produces in many years.

If I were a government official, left the tree huggers have there day and pay for supported evidence that points to human activity causes green house gasses, then we can place taxes of these products and services to gain wealth. For the time being, it would seem that many of the worlds population has forgotten there history lesions and can be lead into believing one side stories, which we have no problems with letting them do, we are honest and telling the truth, but just up to certain point. God forbid the day when anyone asks us where are all these tax dollars going as surely they will know that its nothing to do with the ecology of our planet. And to add, when the Americans realise that the US government has been asked to join the rest of the world to combat pollutants and we refused, are faces will be red.


There is something for Free send postal order from government for me lol

 

[saab96]

Yet another global warming denier who thinks he knows more than the scientific concensus. Let me guess, you're into EVs because you want to get back at the A-rabs for 911 but you'd much rather drive a Hummer to the nearest NASCAR track?

 

[Jason Lattimer]

Global warming is a sham. They have been telling us for 15 years we only have 10 years left. We are still here and now we have record cold snaps. The planet is not as fragile as they think it is. It will balance itself out as it always does.

Besides, for thousands of years the "WISE" people of the village have always made money off the little people by telling them the sky is falling. Kind of like how political people tell us we need to pass this bill before it is too late.

 

[Telco]

Yet another global warming denier who thinks he knows more than the scientific concensus. Let me guess, you're into EVs because you want to get back at the A-rabs for 911 but you'd much rather drive a Hummer to the nearest NASCAR track?

Wow, that's like... stereotypical.

I don't believe in the whole global warming scam being perpetuated on the public any more than I believed in the ice age those same scientists were trying to scare us with in the 1970s. According to the thinking back then, by now half the US should be covered in hundred foot glaciers. And I have has only been in a Hummer while in the military, do not watch NAScar, and am interested in electric vehicles for efficiency and cleanliness (clean air). Well, efficiency, clean air, and I'd like to not be finding Jihad. Eliminate oil as a resource, and the Arabs would only be able to carry jihad as far as they can throw rocks.

Global warming is a scam, and you've obviously been brainwashed by it. The only scientists claiming it to be true have a vested interest in it being true, the ones that don't have an interest either way are saying it's a scam, including the ex-head of the National Weather Service. And considering they don't even know how all the Earth's weather patterns are, nor do they know much about solar cycles and their direct effect on our weather, I really don't see how they can claim mankind is doing anything towards global warming. Now pollution, there's something you can sink your teeth into. Cutting pollution is a noble goal, but climate change? We have no effect on that. Even the liberals pushing climate change must beleive this, otherwise they'd still be calling it global warming instead of climate change.

 

[Technologic]

If I were a government official, left the tree huggers have there day and pay for supported evidence that points to human activity causes green house gasses, then we can place taxes of these products and services to gain wealth. For the time being, it would seem that many of the worlds population has forgotten there history lesions and can be lead into believing one side stories, which we have no problems with letting them do, we are honest and telling the truth, but just up to certain point. God forbid the day when anyone asks us where are all these tax dollars going as surely they will know that its nothing to do with the ecology of our planet. And to add, when the Americans realise that the US government has been asked to join the rest of the world to combat pollutants and we refused, are faces will be red.


There is something for Free send postal order from government for me lol

If the US geological survey pays me 200k/yr to map some basin discharges I don't care what they want to call it.

I never have a say in what other people believe anyway, I just seek the real truth though rationality.

At any rate I was talking about the spending as both absurdly high, and hilarious because it's such a HUGELY finite field (again hydrology isn't studied by students at all generally) it's pretty crazy how valuable my bachelor's of science will be.

 

[Technologic]

Global warming is a scam, and you've obviously been brainwashed by it. The only scientists claiming it to be true have a vested interest in it being true, the ones that don't have an interest either way are saying it's a scam, including the ex-head of the National Weather Service. .

I question the questioner just as much as you seem to question the consensus.

I see no reason to believe in it wholeheartedly or deny its existence/possiblity.

Saying "well the sun is changing" provides no interesting sources or studies... I am 100% resigned to the fact that if it is real, it's far too late to change it though... especially with all of the horrible government road blocks on cars, subsidies and other crap. Coming out and saying it's a big scam and other garbage is just frustrating to me. There are so many more legitimate scams (like the lies of socialist governments) that are far more important to disprove.

 

[jlsawell]

I don't care who's causing it, I'm just waiting for the melting ice to dilute the North Atlantic Current enough to stop the heat transfer. That'll shut up a lot of Europeans!!

We might be having cooler weather in some areas, but that isn't stopping the melting ice.

I'm not talking about, nor worried about rising sea levels. I'm talking about the salinity of the Gulf Stream.

All that melting ice is going somewhere. Could the climate change deniers please explain to me where exactly the melted water from the glaciers and the Larsen Ice Shelf is going?

http://www.usgs.gov/global_change/glaciers/repeat_photography.asp

There seems to be a lot of dodgy "research" being argued about temperatures, but nobody seems to be measuring salinity.

 

[sunworksco]

Yet another global warming denier who thinks he knows more than the scientific concensus. Let me guess, you're into EVs because you want to get back at the A-rabs for 911 but you'd much rather drive a Hummer to the nearest NASCAR track?

Hard to believe that these disbelievers are still out there!!!
Why are they even into EVs? Must want to kill an Arab with his EV.
They seem to always badmouth anyone trying to preserve the planet's environment.He probably thinks that the "Hurricane Bush" is caused by democrats!

 

[sunworksco]

I don't care who's causing it, I'm just waiting for the melting ice to dilute the North Atlantic Current enough to stop the heat transfer. That'll shut up a lot of Europeans!!

We might be having cooler weather in some areas, but that isn't stopping the melting ice.

I'm not talking about, nor worried about rising sea levels. I'm talking about the salinity of the Gulf Stream.

All that melting ice is going somewhere. Could the climate change deniers please explain to me where exactly the melted water from the glaciers and the Larsen Ice Shelf is going?

http://www.usgs.gov/global_change/glaciers/repeat_photography.asp

There seems to be a lot of dodgy "research" being argued about temperatures, but nobody seems to be measuring salinity.

Once the majority of glaciers melt the ocean convection conveyor belts will cease to exist and the ice-age could engulf the globe in a matter of a few months.The thousands year old ice-core samples have definately exhibited the evidence.

 

[Technologic]

Hard to believe that these disbelievers are still out there!!!
Why are they even into EVs? Must want to kill an Arab with his EV.
They seem to always badmouth anyone trying to preserve the planet's environment.He probably thinks that the "Hurricane Bush" is caused by democrats!

Do you know what the term scapegoat is?

Do you know what you are if you start scapegoating one person, even if that person is your president?

People can be stupid, and the economy can be uneffected (just look at clinton), or your government can be full of stupid people who go "This is my president!!!!" when obama walks by.

Passion is fine, but when you place your passion in the hands of politicians your freedoms will be destroyed before you even know what hits you.

In all cases you should be questioning EVERYTHING anyone in government does against how many freedoms, how much money and how many people's effort is being destroyed.

You will find that the government does nothiing more than taking the livelihood of one citizen, equitable to forced labor, and placing into into regulatory systems to halt progress and line their pockets.

It must be wonderful to be naive enough to imagine a government with access to "trillions" in bailout money whenever they want isn't going to harm you horribly and destroy your future through inflation, halting innovation through business takeovers and regulations, and spending billions to research what kind of stream sediments deposit on which layers.

You ever wonder why we still use gas cars? it's because of all the damn regulations in the 70s. No one, and I mean NO ONE can make a new battery system, stick it in a car, and start selling it... it takes millions and millions of dollars just to get around red tape. This is done ON PURPOSE. Just getting seatbelts to pass inspections for production on average costs a company 10-20 million dollars. It's absurd, and it was all caused by Nixon and Carter.

People are so stupidly blind.

 

[Technologic]

Once the majority of glaciers melt the ocean convection conveyor belts will cease to exist and the ice-age could engulf the globe in a matter of a few months.The thousands year old ice-core samples have definately exhibited the evidence.

As an oceanographer (yes I can say this... since I have a bachelors in it ), I see no reason the currents would cease to recycle water to the poles... the water will still be warmer at the equator and colder at the poles, and still continue it's natural subduction once it reaches below 40degrees F

I think what will be more damaging is the gases the cold water subducts. It works a lot better the colder the water is (larger gaps in the water molecules as it approaches freezing). The ocean subducts and deposits a LOT of gases on the bottom of the ocean (in the form of ice etc)

 

[sunworksco]

Global warming is a sham. They have been telling us for 15 years we only have 10 years left. We are still here and now we have record cold snaps. The planet is not as fragile as they think it is. It will balance itself out as it always does.

Besides, for thousands of years the "WISE" people of the village have always made money off the little people by telling them the sky is falling. Kind of like how political people tell us we need to pass this bill before it is too late.

The crop planting in California will be as small as 50% of normal,due to the draught caused by global warming.

 

[Technologic]

The crop planting in California will be as small as 50% of normal,due to the draught caused by global warming.

Just stop talking please...

People like you wear me out... rationality goes right out of the window... it's like reading about an obama article on huffington post... I want to take a powered drill to my temple to end the suffering of the gods of logic.

Don't even bother posting some response trying to pin me to denying global warming exists.

 

[sunworksco]

Just stop talking please...

People like you wear me out... rationality goes right out of the window... it's like reading about an obama article on huffington post... I want to take a powered drill to my temple to end the suffering of the gods of logic.

Don't even bother posting some response trying to pin me to denying global warming exists.

I believe in science since I am an educated engineer.You seem to badmouth everything out there and mistrust everything as well.The science exists but it is misinterpreted by you.I once sent you the government data on global warming but you don't trust that study either so I will leave you to your own demons.

 

[Technologic]

I believe in science since I am an educated engineer.You seem to badmouth everything out there and mistrust everything as well.The science exists but it is misinterpreted by you.I once sent you the government data on global warming but you don't trust that study either so I will leave you to your own demons.

Actually I've never commented on global warming, I gave my opinion once but it was fully ignored.

There is some truth to it, the question is why are you bitching about the government fixing it when they're the problem to begin with (their large bloated regulation system denying basic progress).

I don't "trust" sources, I "trust" reason... go figure that such things RARELY go together, even in science.

 

[sunworksco]

Actually I've never commented on global warming, I gave my opinion once but it was fully ignored.

There is some truth to it, the question is why are you bitching about the government fixing it when they're the problem to begin with (their large bloated regulation system denying basic progress).

I don't "trust" sources, I "trust" reason... go figure that such things RARELY go together, even in science.

I suppose that you dislike the regulations that mandated seatbelts,airbags,lead-free gas,turn signals,breatable air,etc.
You seem to contradict most everything out there!