150 miles at very high speed ... Battery pack alone would be near 30,000$ for a civic size car ...
The car is a single seater. Looks akin to an F3 car. Space is going to be an issue, as is weight distribution. I know that the battery will be costly. I'm interested in seeing how costly. Do you know of any suppliers with battery packs that have a very high output?150 miles at very high speed ... Battery pack alone would be near 30,000$ for a civic size car ...
I would need the PM-250 correct? As each Yasa 750 has a peak power of 200kW right?Rinehart controllers for the Yasa motors, one per motor.
No not even close - triple it $90,000150 miles at very high speed ... Battery pack alone would be near 30,000$ for a civic size car ...
Thank you for your help. From what I'm seeing, these batteries can only be charged at low voltage. I need to be able to charge them faster. This would work as a 12v for the electronics but not as the battery pack.Check out tekbattery.com since space will be limited they can make batteries in any shape you want .... Very good power outputs but expensive obviously
The 85kWh pack gets 260 at 320Wh/mi. That pack costs 30k (if I remember correctly) using 600Wh/mi I'd get 130 mi. Car has a low CD and I am hoping to keep it very light.No not even close - triple it $90,000
150 miles is difficult and expensive - add "at very high speed" and you are getting close to impossible
Tesla's get 200 miles + at normal road speeds, at 120mph + that will drop to about 60 miles
That was my first thought.No not even close - triple it $90,000...
For 150 miles in a fast race vehicle, you're automatically talking about the highest power density Lipo cells available, just to build a pack capable of meeting your goals, without weighing more than, and being half the size (or more) of, the vehicle you're putting them in. Your biggest issue then, is going to be cycle life. You go from the thousands of cycles road-going, daily driver, EVs talk about, to hundreds of cycles - meaning you start planning very carefully when and how often you'll use them....The issue is I wouldn't be able to fit an 85kWh pack in the car. If I'm lucky I can maybe fit a 65kWh pack...
You may not make it then. When researching the same thing for the Inhaler, I priced just the cells for a high-power Kokam-based pack at around $50K (much less range, but possibly more power than you're after?). That's not including connections, case - and most importantly BMS - you're not going to run these cells without a really good BMS, unless you just like the thought of roasting money over an open flame....I draw the line at 90k for batteries.
Those are 12v replacement battery packs made from lithium cells. YOu will charge your pack at pack voltage, with a charger made for it. How fast is dependent on how much $$$ you spend. The LiPo cells, with good BMS, can generally take a pretty fast charge rate - so it's a matter of how much charger you are willing to buy/can afford, and how much power you can safely tap from your source.Thank you for your help. From what I'm seeing, these batteries can only be charged at low voltage. I need to be able to charge them faster. This would work as a 12v for the electronics but not as the battery pack...
We're here to help you learn. You might want to wait a while on that letter to Rimac, because if they get the sense that you don't know what you're doing you'll probably get a pleasant blow-off or no reply. Most companies are very busy and get bombarded with requests from well-meaning, curious, but out of their league enthusiasts; and they're also constantly thinking about liability, negative feedback/word-of-mouth from misuse, etc......I am in the process of drafting an email to Rimac Autombili, what questions should I be asking about their battery packs? ...
...Sorry if these are dumb questions, clearly I'm new to this.
Firstly, just about any battery with enough range to go 150 miles will have high enough output. Back of napkin calculation:Space is going to be an issue, as is weight distribution. I know that the battery will be costly. I'm interested in seeing how costly. Do you know of any suppliers with battery packs that have a very high output?
Okay. So what about swapping multiple packs around. Let's say that the price isn't a big deal. If I had multiple (5?) smaller pack with enough range for 80 miles, would I increase cell life? The way I think about it is that if I deplete one pack to 10% and I put it to charge (outside of the car) while the next pack is swapped in I would only be depleting at a faster rate.You may not make it then. When researching the same thing for the Inhaler, I priced just the cells for a high-power Kokam-based pack at around $50K (much less range, but possibly more power than you're after?). That's not including connections, case - and most importantly BMS - you're not going to run these cells without a really good BMS, unless you just like the thought of roasting money over an open flame.
I don't think you can say that, that easily. "High enough output" is relative, and depends on the intended application. My idea of a high output pack used to be a LiPo pack that could supply a Shiva, without significant sag, for as long as my foot would stay down. Now, my idea of a high output pack is one that will provide enough voltage to spin an AC motor to 10K, without sag, and at drastically reduced current levels. Intended use, component choice, and vehicle specifications, all have a say in what constitutes high output. As usual, we're shooting in the dark here, because we don't have any of that, as solid data, to work off.Firstly, just about any battery with enough range to go 150 miles will have high enough output...
You never want to go to 10% SOC, definitely not 0%, unless you like buying cells and building packs. The rule of thumb around here seems to be 20%. I generally figure 25% SOC with LiPo, just to give them a little extra margin.Okay. So what about swapping multiple packs around. Let's say that the price isn't a big deal. If I had multiple (5?) smaller pack with enough range for 80 miles, would I increase cell life? The way I think about it is that if I deplete one pack to 10% and I put it to charge (outside of the car) while the next pack is swapped in I would only be depleting at a faster rate.
What matters more, getting to 0 SOC or running through the SOC quickly?
Is BMS always separate from the battery module?
Heck, I'd go to 0% to win a raceYou never want to go to 10% SOC, definitely not 0%, unless you like buying cells and building packs. The rule of thumb around here seems to be 20%. I generally figure 25% SOC with LiPo, just to give them a little extra margin.
We (not specifically you and I) have had this type discussion here a few times. There's all-out racing, with Nitro Top Fuel and Funny Car drag racing at the extreme, where you leave nothing on the table. Everything is expendable, parts, fuel, oil is constant loss, etc, etc. Then, at the other extreme, there is bracket-level amateur racing, where vehicles and parts are expected to last for a season. It's all in what type of racing a person is engaging in and what the competition is doing.Heck, I'd go to 0% to win a raceDone it a number of times. What hurts is hitting zero SOC 50 yards from the finish line while leading a 9 lap race at Laguna Seca
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Zero SOC isn't zero voltage. The battery can take it. It's racing so I ain't looking to get 3000 cycles. I don't want to carry any extra battery mass than I need to finish the race.