Re: [EVDL] Battery - Altairnano, not cheap!

Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:

> That's insane pricing......
>
> For a 144v pack you would need 6 of those 24v modules and at $5000/
> each you
> are looking at a $30,000 50ah pack. Not practical in any way shape
> or form.
> I bet their only client is the government so you and me all will be
> paying
> these insane prices.
>
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Douglas A. Stansfield
> President
> www.TransAtlanticElectricConversions.com
> 973-875-6276 (office)
> 973-670-9208 (cell)
> 973-440-1619 (fax)
>
> ELECTRIC CAR PRODUCERS
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf
> Of Rod Hower
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:07 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery - Altairnano, not cheap!
>
> I just got this response today,
>
> Hello Rod,
>
> Thank you for your interest in Altairnano's technology.
> Altairnano's 24V
> 50Ah
> modules are based on our nano lithium titanate chemistry which
> allows for
> high
> power rating, fast charge and discharges, as well as a very high
> cycle life.
>
> When paired with a development kit it provides a test bed for the
> evaluation
> and
> application of advanced lithium-ion battery technology for
> prototypes, new
> application development, and for improving performance and reducing
> cost for
>
> existing applications. The cost of a standard kit which includes the
> Connection
> and Control Unit, Wiring, Battery Management System, and one 24V
> 50ah module
> is
> $5,000 USD. Additional modules for series operation can be purchase
> at
> $3,000
> per module.
>
> If you are interested in discussing this further please feel free to
> contact
> me.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Michael Brunell
> 775.858.3732
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Collin Kidder <[email protected]>
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 3:04:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery
>
> Well, I emailed them asking about the application kit that they
> sell. We'll
> see if they respond and how many millions they want for it. It would
> be
> great to be able to test some of their claims.
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:47 PM, dave cover <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't think these were available, or that the company was still in
>> business. The page has a 2010 date on it. I wonder what the price is?
>>
>> DAC
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:20 PM, George Tyler <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Anyone know anything about these?
>>> http://www.b2i.cc/Document/546/113226.pdf
>>>
>>> Seems too good to be true, 12,000 cycles at 2C and 18kW from a 24V
>> battery
>>> the size of a car starter battery weighing 25 kG. 500A max current.
>>>
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Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
> That's insane pricing......
>
> For a 144v pack you would need 6 of those 24v modules and at $5000/each you
> are looking at a $30,000 50ah pack. Not practical in any way shape or form.
> I bet their only client is the government so you and me all will be paying
> these insane prices.

Second and subsequent 24v modules are $3K. Six for $20K. Still,
seemingly, an unattractive deal. A ~20KWH pack would cost ~$56K.

> existing applications. The cost of a standard kit which includes the
> Connection
> and Control Unit, Wiring, Battery Management System, and one 24V 50ah module
> is
> $5,000 USD. Additional modules for series operation can be purchase at
> $3,000
> per module.

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Willie McKemie wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:21:35AM -0400, Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
>> That's insane pricing......
>>
>> For a 144v pack you would need 6 of those 24v modules and at $5000/
>> each you
>> are looking at a $30,000 50ah pack. Not practical in any way shape
>> or form.
>> I bet their only client is the government so you and me all will be
>> paying
>> these insane prices.
>
> Second and subsequent 24v modules are $3K. Six for $20K. Still,
> seemingly, an unattractive deal. A ~20KWH pack would cost ~$56K.
>
>> existing applications. The cost of a standard kit which includes the
>> Connection
>> and Control Unit, Wiring, Battery Management System, and one 24V
>> 50ah module
>> is
>> $5,000 USD. Additional modules for series operation can be
>> purchase at
>> $3,000
>> per module.
>

Isn't it obvious that they don't want to sell to the conversion
market? Their after the big fish, not us little minnows.




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Roger Heuckeroth wrote:
>
> Isn't it obvious that they don't want to sell to the conversion
> market? Their after the big fish, not us little minnows.

Yes, it certainly is. At the prices quoted, they are about 8 times the
cost of TS or SE cells. I was just correcting a relatively minor
mis-statement by Douglas, not suggesting use in conversions.

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Willie McKemie <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 01:15:20PM -0400, Roger Heuckeroth wrote:
> >
> > Isn't it obvious that they don't want to sell to the conversion
> > market? Their after the big fish, not us little minnows.
>
> Yes, it certainly is. At the prices quoted, they are about 8 times the
> cost of TS or SE cells. I was just correcting a relatively minor
> mis-statement by Douglas, not suggesting use in conversions.
>
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