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Re: [EVDL] Charge Stations (was EV Business?)

Gentlemen (and Ladies)
I have said this before, there is available an alternative "Charging
Station" substitute which it seems to me makes an excellent interface
between the circuit breaker in your service panel and an outlet to match
your cord to your EV and this is called a "Spa Disconnect and GFCI in a
rain-tight box for indoor or outdoor mounting. Just Google for it when you
need it but after reading 20 of them I found this one at about half the
price but selling the same unit... the URL is *
http://www.spadepot.com/shop/Spa-GFCI-Load-Center-up-to-60A-P9279C193.aspx *
use it with weatherproof covered outlets for the 240 vac and the 120 vac
mounted within 12 feet of this box and your city inspector will _probably_
think it is OK . It will give a very professional appearing
installation. *(This
information for educational purposes only because I am not a licensed
electrician in your jurisdiction!)*
Regards,
*Dennis Lee Miles* (Director) *E.V.T.I. inc*.
*www.E-V-T-I-Inc.COM <http://www.e-v-t-i-inc.com/> *(Adviser)*
EVTI-EVAEducation Chapter
*
Phone (863) 944 - 9913
Initial demand (computed by extrapolating the reservations for GM Volt and
Nissan Leaf,) shall exceed 200,000 vehicles in 2010 and 2011. However only
50,000 vehicles will be marketed, so a LARGE demand for Nice Newer
Conversions is predicted!
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Cor van de Water <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sounds pretty simple,
> Install a NEMA 6-15 or 6-20 outlet with 240V supply
> and use a NEMA 5-15 to 6-15 conversion cord to plug
> in the Volt at 240V.
> Make sure you mark the conversion cord (the only "illegal" part)
> with Danger marks and 240V warnings and add a label
> "For EV parking only" or something similar legally
> acceptable ;-)
> (Note: only on the conversion cable - not on the outlet
> because that is a normal and acceptable thing in your
> garage - you probably have a handful of them in there
> and possibly even on the outside of your house. I was
> planning to add a weather-protected NEMA 6-20 next to
> the existing outdoor NEMA 5-15 on the outside of my
> garage next to my driveway, so I could draw double the
> power without awakening any watchdogs as the outlets
> look exactly the same, especially when closed and at
> the same time nobody can accidentally plug in a 110V
> appliance - I was planning a cord long enough to
> directly reach my car so it would not be possible to
> accidentally plug anything else in.)
>
> And of course I legally do not suggest that you
> actually make such a dangerous cord...
> It may actually work!
>
> Cor van de Water
> Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Mike Willmon
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 7:16 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: [EVDL] Charge Stations (was EV Business?)
>
> [email protected],
> Many are not understanding that the chargers are actually installed on
> the car that will run on either 120VAC or 240VAC. They will give you
> the 120V
> cord for cheap and charge you a fortune for the 240V cord. Thats all a
> "Charge Station" is, is a cord. You can take 240VAC from an installed
> GFCI in your garage and put it on the two inlet pins along with a
> ground, and make sure the proximity circuit tells the charger when the
> plug is in and you're good to go. Its really no different that plugging
> in your stove or your dryer, except they want you to buy a real
> expensive extension cord that can talk to your car, relay info via
> Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, average, graph, track all your power consumption and
> probably even tell your coffee pot when to turn on in the morning.
>
> The charger is on the car. Make sure the breaker, cable and plugs are
> rated for more than the charger can pull and plug it into a NEMA
> receptacle. But I'd never recommend anyone actually do this ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Childress, Matthew
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Indeed, I'm aware you don't have to buy the charger and can charge on
> > 120. But I'm specifically talking the average Jack or Jill. In that
> > case
> >
> > Do you think that the average car salesperson will:
> >
> > a) be as aware of it as we are?
> > b) if they are aware, wish to lessen their commission by
> > informing the customer?
> >
> > The pitch will sound something like this: "Here is the LEAF, here is
> > the special charging station you need to have us install in your
> > garage that will charge it full overnight or while you're sitting at
> > your desk at work (8 hours). You can charge it on 120, but it will
> > take all day (20 hours)..."
> >
> > I understand that this 20-hour figure is from an "empty" battery pack.
> > But Jack/Jill won't.
> >
> > While you and I (and most on this list) are willing to put up with
> > some inconvenience until a better/cheaper option is available, I
> > wonder what Jill will do? I wonder what using a non-Nissan charger
> > will do to your warranty. Hmm...
> >
> > The charge times are from NissanUSA's website after a googling of
> > "leaf home charging station"
> >
> > [email protected]
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > Behalf Of Willie McKemie
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:25 PM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Business?
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:00:41PM -0500, Childress, Matthew wrote:
> >
> > > Remember that for the average Jill, that $32k Leaf or $41k Volt
> > > comes with an additional $2k per charging station... one at work,
> > > one at
> > home,
> > > one at the in-laws... with the Leaf it'll be mandatory, with the
> > > PHEV you can "get by" with 3-prong 120 overnight.
> >
> > No, it is not necessary to buy the exorbitantly priced charging
> > station. I ordered mine without and intend to 110v charge until a
> > more reasonable charging station product is offered. There are
> > already several announced at prices of less than $1,000. I wouldn't
> > be surprised to see $200 charging stations available in the near
> future.
> >
> > For discussion of Leaf issues, see:
> > http://www.mynissanleaf.com/index.php
> >
> > BTW, I mostly charge my EV (which has a longer range than a Leaf) with
>
> > a 1.5KW charger; that should be about the power of the Leaf 110v
> > charger.
> >
> > --
> > Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog!
> > http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
> > Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 32 days 13 hours 18 minutes
> >
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