Re: [EVDL] Charge Stations (was EV Business?)

Cor van de Water <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sounds pretty simple,
> Install a NEMA 6-15 or 6-20 outlet with 240V supply
> and use a NEMA 5-15 to 6-15 conversion cord to plug
> in the Volt at 240V.
> Make sure you mark the conversion cord (the only "illegal" part)
> with Danger marks and 240V warnings and add a label
> "For EV parking only" or something similar legally
> acceptable ;-)
> (Note: only on the conversion cable - not on the outlet
> because that is a normal and acceptable thing in your
> garage - you probably have a handful of them in there
> and possibly even on the outside of your house. I was
> planning to add a weather-protected NEMA 6-20 next to
> the existing outdoor NEMA 5-15 on the outside of my
> garage next to my driveway, so I could draw double the
> power without awakening any watchdogs as the outlets
> look exactly the same, especially when closed and at
> the same time nobody can accidentally plug in a 110V
> appliance - I was planning a cord long enough to
> directly reach my car so it would not be possible to
> accidentally plug anything else in.)
>
> And of course I legally do not suggest that you
> actually make such a dangerous cord...
> It may actually work!
>
> Cor van de Water
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Mike Willmon
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 7:16 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: [EVDL] Charge Stations (was EV Business?)
>
> [email protected],
> Many are not understanding that the chargers are actually installed on
> the car that will run on either 120VAC or 240VAC. They will give you
> the 120V
> cord for cheap and charge you a fortune for the 240V cord. Thats all a
> "Charge Station" is, is a cord. You can take 240VAC from an installed
> GFCI in your garage and put it on the two inlet pins along with a
> ground, and make sure the proximity circuit tells the charger when the
> plug is in and you're good to go. Its really no different that plugging
> in your stove or your dryer, except they want you to buy a real
> expensive extension cord that can talk to your car, relay info via
> Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, average, graph, track all your power consumption and
> probably even tell your coffee pot when to turn on in the morning.
>
> The charger is on the car. Make sure the breaker, cable and plugs are
> rated for more than the charger can pull and plug it into a NEMA
> receptacle. But I'd never recommend anyone actually do this ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Childress, Matthew
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Indeed, I'm aware you don't have to buy the charger and can charge on
> > 120. But I'm specifically talking the average Jack or Jill. In that
> > case
> >
> > Do you think that the average car salesperson will:
> >
> > a) be as aware of it as we are?
> > b) if they are aware, wish to lessen their commission by
> > informing the customer?
> >
> > The pitch will sound something like this: "Here is the LEAF, here is
> > the special charging station you need to have us install in your
> > garage that will charge it full overnight or while you're sitting at
> > your desk at work (8 hours). You can charge it on 120, but it will
> > take all day (20 hours)..."
> >
> > I understand that this 20-hour figure is from an "empty" battery pack.
> > But Jack/Jill won't.
> >
> > While you and I (and most on this list) are willing to put up with
> > some inconvenience until a better/cheaper option is available, I
> > wonder what Jill will do? I wonder what using a non-Nissan charger
> > will do to your warranty. Hmm...
> >
> > The charge times are from NissanUSA's website after a googling of
> > "leaf home charging station"
> >
> > [email protected]
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > Behalf Of Willie McKemie
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:25 PM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Business?
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:00:41PM -0500, Childress, Matthew wrote:
> >
> > > Remember that for the average Jill, that $32k Leaf or $41k Volt
> > > comes with an additional $2k per charging station... one at work,
> > > one at
> > home,
> > > one at the in-laws... with the Leaf it'll be mandatory, with the
> > > PHEV you can "get by" with 3-prong 120 overnight.
> >
> > No, it is not necessary to buy the exorbitantly priced charging
> > station. I ordered mine without and intend to 110v charge until a
> > more reasonable charging station product is offered. There are
> > already several announced at prices of less than $1,000. I wouldn't
> > be surprised to see $200 charging stations available in the near
> future.
> >
> > For discussion of Leaf issues, see:
> > http://www.mynissanleaf.com/index.php
> >
> > BTW, I mostly charge my EV (which has a longer range than a Leaf) with
>
> > a 1.5KW charger; that should be about the power of the Leaf 110v
> > charger.
> >
> > --
> > Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog!
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> >
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