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Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?

Didn't Buckminster Fuller already do this with the Dymaxion car back
in 1933. It was a highly maneuverable 3 wheeled car that could carry
eleven passengers. And it got 30 miles per gallon. Is this new game
almost 75 years old?

On 10/22/07, Tom S. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I understand what your saying, however even an autocross doesn`t showcase the extreme maneuverability of the EVette. There is a new game in town, one that I think is much more relevant to real driving, besides I`m having to much fun rattling cages. Really, the only thing that matters is to bring good useful electric cars to America, at a price the average person can aford.
> Tom Sines
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Doug Weathers <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Oct 21, 2007 6:42 PM
> >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> >
> >
> >
jerryd wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Tom and All,
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> >> From: "Tom S." <[email protected]>
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:38:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>> Well, I really don`t feel like playing
> >>> around in the dirt with the EVETTE its to pretty, however
> >>
> >> Translation, above 30 mph it gets really hairy.
> >>
> >> Jerry Dycus
> >
> >How about this translation: maybe Tom doesn't know what an autocross
> >event is, and thinks it's something like motocross, which explains the
> >comment about the dirt.
> >
> >Autocross events are held on flat paved parking lots. A twisty course
> >is marked out with traffic cones and people compete to see who can
> >drive their car through the course the fastest. Dirt is not involved.
> >It's safe - distances are short and speeds are low; a run can take less
> >than a minute and you're all alone on the course. A respectable
> >performance at an autocross event would do a lot to quiet the Evette's
> >skeptics.
> >
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocross>
> >
> >Motocross is a motorcycle sport, played outdoors in the mud. Or
> >sometimes indoors in the mud. Completely inappropriate for most
> >four-wheeled vehicles. And dirt is definitely involved.
> >
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motocross>
> >--
> >Doug Weathers
> >Las Cruces, NM, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?

Tom has a 2 wheeled car with a caster. Reminds me of Smokey Stover's car
with a training wheel.

On 10/22/07, dave cover <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Didn't Buckminster Fuller already do this with the Dymaxion car back
> in 1933. It was a highly maneuverable 3 wheeled car that could carry
> eleven passengers. And it got 30 miles per gallon. Is this new game
> almost 75 years old?
>
> On 10/22/07, Tom S. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > I understand what your saying, however even an autocross
> doesn`t showcase the extreme maneuverability of the EVette. There is a
> new game in town, one that I think is much more relevant to real driving,
> besides I`m having to much fun rattling cages. Really, the only thing that
> matters is to bring good useful electric cars to America, at a price the
> average person can aford.
> > Tom Sines
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Doug Weathers <[email protected]>
> > >Sent: Oct 21, 2007 6:42 PM
> > >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
> > >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> > >
> > >
> > >
jerryd wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Hi Tom and All,
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> > >> From: "Tom S." <[email protected]>
> > >> To: [email protected]
> > >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> > >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:38:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >>> Well, I really don`t feel like playing
> > >>> around in the dirt with the EVETTE its to pretty, however
> > >>
> > >> Translation, above 30 mph it gets really hairy.
> > >>
> > >> Jerry Dycus
> > >
> > >How about this translation: maybe Tom doesn't know what an autocross
> > >event is, and thinks it's something like motocross, which explains the
> > >comment about the dirt.
> > >
> > >Autocross events are held on flat paved parking lots. A twisty course
> > >is marked out with traffic cones and people compete to see who can
> > >drive their car through the course the fastest. Dirt is not involved.
> > >It's safe - distances are short and speeds are low; a run can take less
> > >than a minute and you're all alone on the course. A respectable
> > >performance at an autocross event would do a lot to quiet the Evette's
> > >skeptics.
> > >
> > ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocross>
> > >
> > >Motocross is a motorcycle sport, played outdoors in the mud. Or
> > >sometimes indoors in the mud. Completely inappropriate for most
> > >four-wheeled vehicles. And dirt is definitely involved.
> > >
> > ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motocross>
> > >--
> > >Doug Weathers
> > >Las Cruces, NM, USA
> > >http://www.gdunge.com/
> > >
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Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?

I have stayed out also because I don't see any end to it. What is the EV
list benefit of responding to or questioning Tom's claims? NONE. He even
admitted he "likes rattling peoples cages". I saw the car at the 2007 Ft.
Pierce Rally. It does not impress me and I told Tom that. He unloaded it
from the trailer and parked it, it never moved all day. I don't see people
lining up to have one built for them.

I say let it die, it wont be missed by me. Jerry Wagner

On 10/22/07, Freddie Hartsell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I have tried to stay out of this discussion because I believe most of it
> is
> a fairy tale. But I beg to differ with you, Tom, on your description of
> what an Autocross is. I have a Porsche 944 that I have driven in several
> different autocrosses and the main reason for the autocross is to showcase
> your cars handling and maneuverability. It also showcases the driver's
> ability to drive the car through the many different gates. Now my 944 can
> not spin around in circles but it does do a fair job in an autocross and I
> have even driven the 944 at a local motor sport park that is 2 and 1/8
> miles
> long with 14 different turns. I really enjoyed doing both of these types
> of
> events. If I had your vehicle and I was as sure of it as you sound then I
> would be proud to enter that EVette in as many autocrosses and other
> similar
> venues that would showcase the ability of my vehicle. I do not understand
> your hesitation to enter your vehicle in whatever type of event that would
> showcase its abilities unless all of this stuff that we have been hearing
> lately is just so much smoke. I also believe that by entering your EVette
> in these events you would only enhance your position and it would show
> people like me that you truly do have a very unique vehicle and that it
> will
> do everything that you said that it will do.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth.
>
> Thanks, Freddie
>
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/899
> http://www.southernev.com/dakotaev.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> Of Tom S.
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:20 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> I understand what your saying, however even an autocross doesn`t showcase
> the extreme maneuverability of the EVette. There is a new game in town,
> one that I think is much more relevant to real driving, besides I`m having
> to much fun rattling cages. Really, the only thing that matters is to
> bring
> good useful electric cars to America, at a price the average person can
> aford.
> Tom Sines
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Doug Weathers <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Oct 21, 2007 6:42 PM
> >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> >
> >
> >
jerryd wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Tom and All,
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> >> From: "Tom S." <[email protected]>
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:38:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>> Well, I really don`t feel like playing
> >>> around in the dirt with the EVETTE its to pretty, however
> >>
> >> Translation, above 30 mph it gets really hairy.
> >>
> >> Jerry Dycus
> >
> >How about this translation: maybe Tom doesn't know what an autocross
> >event is, and thinks it's something like motocross, which explains the
> >comment about the dirt.
> >
> >Autocross events are held on flat paved parking lots. A twisty course
> >is marked out with traffic cones and people compete to see who can
> >drive their car through the course the fastest. Dirt is not involved.
> >It's safe - distances are short and speeds are low; a run can take less
> >than a minute and you're all alone on the course. A respectable
> >performance at an autocross event would do a lot to quiet the Evette's
> >skeptics.
> >
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocross>
> >
> >Motocross is a motorcycle sport, played outdoors in the mud. Or
> >sometimes indoors in the mud. Completely inappropriate for most
> >four-wheeled vehicles. And dirt is definitely involved.
> >
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motocross>
> >--
> >Doug Weathers
> >Las Cruces, NM, USA
> >http://www.gdunge.com/
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?

Just curious, how many of the folks encouraging Tom to autocross the Evette do autocross themselves?

Just another point of view: I autocross regularly, and I'm not sure it would be a good idea for Tom to demo the Evette at an autocross (at this point). It sounds like he has never done an autocross. That right there virtually guarantees a near-bottom finish, even if you gave him a Corvette Z06 to run. Tom should do some autocrosses in a regular old boring slow handling gas car a few times and then run the Evette. Doing your very first event in a very quick turning, experimental vehicle does not sound like a good idea, even if the vehicle would outhandle a Ferrari.

So I would like to see the Evette do an autocross, or video of it going fast, doing turns and onramps, etc. However, I think safety would dictate either finding an expert, experienced driver, or building experience oneself before doing an all-out effort in front of a crowd of people.

The best kind of autocross to start at would be a test-n-tune (not all regions do this). They'll have little elements like a 200 foot circle, and short slalom to practice and tune the handling.

----- Original Message ----
From: Ben <[email protected]>
To: Tom S. <[email protected]>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:18:35 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?

Tom,

... What do you have against participating in an autocross event? Like
others stated, it is primarily a showcase of driver skill and vehicle
handling. If the EVette performs as well as you state, and considering
you should be intimately familiar with how it handles, it should be a
stunning performance. Even if autocross isn't an event you have a
personal interest in, you can't deny that physically demonstrating the
handling characteristics that you describe would hush the naysayers. ...

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