David Brandt wrote:
> >
> >> That's the reply I got - of course it's over 100 here, and it
> >> typically flashes towards the end of the hot afternoon drive, so I
> >> can believe it's getting hot. It's hard to believe yours is...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> David Brandt
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
> >> To:
[email protected]
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:26:56 PM
> >> Subject: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> >>
> >>
> >> I drove my Yaris on the Freeway today and never pulled more than 60
> >> battery amps, the engine light would blink every once and a while
> >> after the first 5 miles or so. I have the Ev source cooling kit and a
> >> fan blowing on the radiator. Is this a temp warning? It's less than
> >> 70 outside and I thought I had the controller over cooled. It has
> >> also blinked in the evening when it is under 60 outside and using the
> >> controller harder.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Mark
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:59:03 -0500
>From: "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS warnings, Re: New HEV and EV
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
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>marty what has been said many time is do not do business with them untill
>they change their ways that the bad vibs are intented to make them aware
>that they must change and make honest restitution for the wrong they have
>done this is not a case of punish untill they give a pound of flesh + more
>and then make restutition . you are coming in on the tail of a real long
>thread . these guy don't want ts's life blood they want ts to make things
>right AND make honest restitution . that isnt any more than you would want
>from a maf. that did you wrong .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marty Hewes<mailto:
[email protected]>
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:
[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS warnings, Re: New HEV and EV
>
>
> This reminds me of certain parts of the world where dwelling on the past
> creates such anger that making a better situation for the future just
>can't
> happen. I'm not saying what happened in the past was acceptable. But
>it
> was the past, and holding onto that anger and simply attacking them is
>not
> going to get us where we'd like to be, having a reliable supplier. The
> question is, is there a way to get from a troubled history, to a
>position
> where we can count on them to supply us good batteries? Just lashing
>out at
> them is non-productive. What do we need to do to quit dwelling on the
>past
> and negotiate this to a mutually rewarding future? We need higher tech
> batteries, few companies will talk to us, and this dwelling on the past
>to
> the exclusion of moving forward is seriously getting in the way.
>
> There is a huge difference between encouraging a teenage thief to do the
> crime, and locking him up for life with no chance of parole for a bad
> decision.
>
> I'm a new person around here, and I would really like some decent
>batteries.
> I'm getting really tired of hearing why I shouldn't have access to them
> because of what someone (did I read that the "someone " doesn't even
>work
> there anymore?) did to someone else a while back. I want to know what
>is
> being negotiated to move forward.
>
> I suggest reading the book "Culture Shock" by Kevin Sinclair. He's got
>some
> very specific suggestions about how to get such problems corrected.
>
> Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor Tikhonov" <
[email protected]<mailto:
[email protected]>>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
><
[email protected]<mailto:
[email protected]>>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS warnings, Re: New HEV and EV
>
>
> > Rod Dilkes wrote:
> >
> > > I can understand the TS factory's reluctance to offer a warranty in
> > > the circumstance where no battery management system was used.
> >
> > A BMS had nothing to do with it. TS sold defective cells to begin
>with,
> > no BMS is meant (or can) fix bad cells.
> >
> > I meant to use the product with real BMS. Does this make any
>difference?
> >
> > > However it does nothing to help the grass roots EV industry by
> > > defaming one of the few battery manufacturers that will actually
> > > supply EV enthusiasts!
> >
> > Are you suggesting to praise them for what they did in the sake of
> > potential future benefits for EV enthusiasts? Sort of like encourage
> > teenage thief to do the crime now (by letting it slide) because there
>is
> > a chance he will a good grown up person in future.
> >
> > Victor
> >
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>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:58:25 -0600
>From: "Roland Wiench" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] vacuum pump noise
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
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>Message-ID: <
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>Hello David,
>
>I purchase the GMC vacuum pump for a GM dealer. Any one will do, a Chevy
>or
>GMC is the same. It is a belt driven type that is mounted to a GMC engine
>front mount accessory unit, that holds a Delco inverter-alternator, air
>conditional pump and a place for the vacuum pump and canister, and two
>electric drive motors that fit in the same spot that the power steering
>would be. The power steering unit is a separate mounted electric unit.
>
>If you are running a automatic transmission like I am, make sure you get
>the
>GMC vacuum value that attaches to the accelerator linkage, that controls
>the
>transmission pump pressure like a engine vacuum would.
>
>The pilot shaft of the main motor can also drive these units using a
>electric clutch that is engage when the accelerator unit is off, or the
>electric motor comes on line when the accelerator is on.
>
>One of the large Buick's has a nice aluminum accessory frame work that also
>attaches to the front of the engine which will work by attaching it to the
>front of the new Warp 11 motors that has six tap bolt holes on the front
>motor face.
>
>Roland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Brandt" <
[email protected]>
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 6:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] vacuum pump noise
>
>
> > Actually, Roland, your pump is different than the ones most of us use.
>We
> > typically use diaphragm pumps. These are reliable and sturdy, and do
>not
> > technically require a separate check valve (though it is a good idea to
> > include one) because there is a very high resistance to leak through due
> > to the design of the pump. The reliability (and the fact they already
> > make one in the right size that runs off of 12VDC) is probably why
>nobody
> > has yet tried to make something better specifically for EV's. Even the
> > one Victor offers is a diaphragm style, I believe (correct me if that is
> > wrong, Victor).
> >
> > They make a lot of noise by the very design of the pump. It is
> > unbalanced, as well as the fact it pumps that rubber diaphragm back and
> > forth, and it also uses reed style valves that can add additional noise.
> >
> > In contrast to yours, the diaphragm style pump radiates its noise from
>two
> > sources - the secondary source is the vibration it transmits through the
> > supporting structure. The primary source is from the diaphragm and is
> > transmitted out the exhaust, which is why filtering the exhaust does a
> > decent job of silencing it.
> >
> > A vane style pump like yours, if functioning correctly, should make very
> > little noise, but does require a separate check valve, as there is a
>large
> > leak path even when the pump is new. It can draw down a vacuum very
> > quickly, though.
> >
> > If it does make noise (and is functioning properly), it is likely due to
> > the cam (liner) design allowing the blades to experience shock. The
>only
> > way to ensure this does not happen is to cut a cam profile (specifically
>a
> > cycloidal profile) into the interior of the liner. Most pumps typically
> > just use a circle, though, because it is easier to make. The noise is
> > acceptable, because a diesel engine will easily drown it out, even just
> > idling!
> >
> > Personally, I'd be interested in the part number you are using, where to
> > get them, and how quickly it draws down a vacuum. Are you running it
>off
> > of your acessory drive system?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Brandt
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Roland Wiench <
[email protected]>
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <
[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 7:06:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] vacuum pump noise
> >
> >
> > The noise in the vacuum pump is sometime cause by the check value in the
> > vacuum pump that pops open and close which is more noisy at lower in.hg.
> > As
> > the vacuum builds up to above 15 in.hg. it should decrease in the noise
> > factor and when you get to about 18 in.hg. then there is hardly any
>noise
> > at
> > all and at 22 in.hg., I can't here it.
> >
> > If you do not have a large enough canister that should have addition
> > vacuum
> > check valves before and after the canister, plus addition check values
>for
> > each addition vacuum take off, the bleed down will be faster and you may
> > not
> > get to the higher vacuum reading.
> >
> > Of course if you have a vacuum pump that only goes to 15 in.hg., then
>you
> > will always have some noise.
> >
> > I install a vacuum meter on this system, which I find that the noise is
> > greater at initial start up and it fades away when it gets above 18
>in.hg.
> >
> > I am using a GMC vacuum pump design for a diesel truck. It is a radial
> > vane
> > type that will pull 22 in.hg. For some devices that required a lower
> > vacuum, than a GMC vacuum value can be added which adjusts the vacuum to
> > any
> > setting as needed.
> >
> > Tubing will not work, because the through bolt still transmit the noise
>to
> > the chassis. Use rubber insert nuts on the vacuum pump which is then
> > mounted to a 1/4 inch thick aluminum plate, and then mount that aluminum
> > plate with rubber insert nuts to your mounting area. You can get these
> > rubber insert nuts from a hardware store.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Whitley" <
[email protected]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 2:08 PM
> > Subject: [EVDL] vacuum pump noise
> >
> >
> > > What is the best way to reduce the noise from the vacuum pump?
> > > Despite it having rubber washers to separate it from the wheel well
> > > it is quite noisy. The controller also has some noise that is
> > > probably normal, but with all the "quite" it is rather annoying!
> > > Thanks, Dan
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>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:59:30 -0500
>From: "Marty Hewes" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
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>
>Dave is OK I hope?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <
[email protected]>
>To: <
[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
>
>
> > I'll chime in.
> > Speaking oly of Friday Night's NEDRA activities, it was quite a scene.
> > Probably 2 dozen or more EV's at the races and at least 10 race EV's.
> > The racing EV's that I saw Friday night (until about 10:30pm) included:
> > * White Zombie (Wayland's 70's Datsun)
> > * Orange Poppy (Otmar's 914)
> > * Cobra EV
> > * Dave Cloud's Geo
> > * Rick Barnes' compact
> > * Don Crabtree's FrankenDragon electric motorcycle
> >
> > Along with these there were other EV's present including:
> > * Viktor Tikhonov's Honda CRX
> > * Tim Kutscha's red 914
> > * The 5' diam propeller powered land buggy (raced at Woodburn a number
>of
> > years ago)
> > * A couple of PHEV's
> > * My 1921 Milburn Light Electric coupe
> > * An electric Datsun pickup
> > * Rod Wilde's Gone Postal van
> > * Rich Rudman's Goldie(?)---didn't see it there but assumed it was there
> > * I'm sure there were several others
> >
> > I didn't catch all the racing, but did see Tim Brehm take the White
>Zombie
> > to a 12.2sec finish and later heard John Wayland come by saying that in
> > another run the Zombie and its competitor both runed 12.0 somethings...
> >
> > I also saw the electric Cobra turn something like 12.2sec in its first
>run
> > using what looked like an array of DeWalt lithium packs.
> >
> > I saw the aftermath of a run that Dave Cloud's car made---a situation
>that
> > shut the track down for at least 30minutes and causing the loudest and
> > fastest gas cars to have to quit racing for the evening.
> >
> > It was a lot of fun, with dozens of good EV folks talking EVs.
> >>From the stands, the crowd was bigger than usual I thought.
> > And the crowd went wild with every EV that raced...wild that is until
>the
> > track shut down for a half hour...I saw many folks left the track during
> > that time.
> >
> > I'm sure others can chime in with the details on all of this. And I
> > guarantee there'll be stories.
> > For me, it was a peaceful drive out to the track with my dad in an old
> > timey car that predates his age by 11 years. It was the second drag
>race
> > he'd ever been to...the first being 4 years before I was born.
> > It was really neat quietly cruising the old electric jalopy the 12miles
> > back home in the dark.
> >
> > -Myles Twete
> > 1921 Milburn Light Electric: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/348
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Mike Willmon <
[email protected]>
> >
> >> Here it is Sunday and I'm about to go into withdrawls.
> >> Someone had to have raced ;-)
> >> Hope nobody broke anything, except records.
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >> Anchorage, Ak.
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>Message: 12
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:02:00 -0700
>From: "Tom Shay" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] H2 FS Record Ford
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
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>The fuel cell powered Fusion 999 ran at 207 mph on the Bonneville Salt
>Flats
>on July 16, 2007.
>This car obviously was not designed as a practical vehicle, but as a
>demonstration of how fast
>a fuel cell powered car could go at Bonneville. All the available space in
>and under the car is filled
>with fuel cells, tanks and various equipment.
>
>We shouldn't sneer and make snide remarks about Fool Cells. Whether we
>agree
>or not, fuel
>cells will probably be used in future vehicles.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steven Lough" <
[email protected]>
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR" <
[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 2:52 PM
>Subject: [EVDL] H2 FS Record Ford
>
>
> > After viewing the YouTube story from Autoblog, ( very good detail )
> > at: a look into the design of the Ford
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rACx-YJXEgg
> >
> > ....There should be NO mistaking why we call these things FOOL CELLS
> >
> > Notice that there is only room in the car for a driver...
> >
> > I think it would be relatively simple to build a 200 mph car with
> > room for 2, +
> > using LiIon Technology, and AC OR DC drive....
> > at WHAT......1/4th the cost ???
> > --
> > Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> > Seattle EV Association
> > 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> > Seattle, WA 98115-7230
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>Message: 13
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:12:07 -0500
>From: "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] another berlingo question
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
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>it may have been his opinion but very good professional advice you should
>follow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve O<mailto:
[email protected]>
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:
[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] another berlingo question
>
>
> Yeah Ian suggested we checked the fault light. It was there and OK. The
>main difference between his and mine is when I bought my berlingo it was
>actually working and running with no warning lights! Also there is no
>obvious burned up circuitry.
>
> Ians motor is fixed anyway. Correct diagnosis with the field coils.
>Interestingly the chap who fixed the motor said these motors should be
>taken to bits when changing the brushes and fully cleaned out. This is
>because the carbon from brushes mixes with a tiny amount of gear box oil
>and makes a nice grinding compound in the motor which is good for
>knackering the coils. Also 2 of the brushes are impossible to get to
>without taking the motor to bits. Just changing the 2 brushes at the top
>that you can get at is not good enough. Just his opinion!!
>
> Looking forward to getting Ian's controller back!
>
> Steve
>
> Evan Tuer <
[email protected]<mailto:
[email protected]>> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Just a thought, have you checked that the fault light is actually
>working?
>
> That other unit I've got in for repair came from a vehicle with
> similar symptoms, the power section is utterly blown up (and then
> hack-repaired) and it had been sold like that with the fault light
> taken out of the dash. Must get on with fixing it.
>
> Regards
> Evan
>
> On 8/17/07, Steve O wrote:
> > Hi Phillippe
> >
> > Thanks for your reply. My eberlingo went from running fine to not
>running with no warning lights at all.
> > First click of the ignition fires up the cooling system etc (whirring
>noise) and the charge goes up to 100% on the dashboard. Trying to do the
>next click to engage the main contactor - nothing. No green "drive" light,
>no musical chime and no clunk of the main contactor. Hence it will not go.
>I have taken the cover off the main ECU and there is no obvious burnt out
>tracks but I do not really know what I am looking for!
> > Citroen say I need a new ECU.
> > A friend with some knowledge of these cars tells me some part of the
>"start sequence" must not be working therefore the main contactor will not
>click. The battery pack is in good order, There is no electrical fault
>light on the dash. Any thoughts?
> > I would gladly buy a working ECU from a scrap vehicle if you know of
>one that is working. Let me know the price / postage cost etc.
> >
> > Merci!!
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > "vehiculeselectriques.free.fr" wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > These ECU are beautiful electronics and very reliable but whole system
>next
> > to them is less ...
> > Most common fault with PSA ECU is charger going into security mode....
>or
> > bang
> > It happen near each time after leakage of battery/ECU colant system as
>water
> > pump ... is now pumping air, no more cooling, 3kW charger is going hot
>to
> > hell and cut off or die
> > You can drive the car but no more charge it and find your car in half
> > charged state with "electric fault" light ON at morning.
> >
> > Disconnecting High Voltage (Rear pack behind left wheel fuse is most
> > easy/quick to catch) reset the ECU stored fault.
> > But you have to check water level on the coolant tank, right side
>under the
> > hood.
> > If it's low or empty instead of full to the top end as it should be,
>you
> > HAVE to find the coolant hoosing leak, most of the time it's on rear
>box but
> > check for coolant water sign on the floor after filling the tank to
>full
> > again.
> > dismount battery box and repair the leak with polyur?thane glue on the
>2
> > crap plastic oblong hoose part where the leak is.
> >
> > Generaly (if fault is well known and electronic cards not too much
>toasted)
> > these faulty ECU can be rebuilt, you can contact me by email off list.
> >
> > Philippe
> > vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
> >
> >
> >
> > 2007/8/17, Thomas Ward :
> > >
> > > steve
> > >
> > > I don't think there is a controller suitable for the berlingo 162V
>Sepex
> > > motor.
> > >
> > > I believe you could use a Zilla on the armature with a constant
>voltage
> > > on the field. I asked Otmar about this and he dissuaded me from
>doing so.
> > >
> > >
> > > you can pick up spare parts for berlingos in france.
> > >
> > > I bought a few parts off a guy in bordeaux, he had one accident
>damaged
> > > van and one almost perfect but without the largest of the battery
> > > modules. I think he wanted 1500 euros for the whole thing. I can try
>to
> > > find his email address if you want. I initially contacted him via an
> > > advert on the forums of Phillip Borges vehiculeseletriques.free.fr
> > > website which is very useful if you can read French. I'm sure you
>will
> > > find some spare parts from there.
> > >
> > > I haven't heard any reports of the controller being unreliable but
>have
> > > heard many reports of citroen being unable to service. For example
>the
> > > battery cooling system on my berlingo developed a small leak last
>Spring
> > > and registered a low water fault. I took it to the Citroen garage,
>they
> > > told me the controller was faulty and that I needed to spend 5 grand
>on
> > > a new one. When I got it home I had a look and soon discovered the
>low
> > > water and the water leak. I refilled the water, completely
>disconnected
> > > the main and the 12V batteries, reconnected and the car was fine.
>There
> > > was nothing wrong with the controller, I drove it for another 8000
>miles
> > > with no problems (other than having to top up the cooling water
>every
> > > trip and every charge).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > steve ollerton wrote:
> > > > Hello again
> > > >
> > > > If I decided to sack off the berlingo controller gubbins (which
>seem
> > > > fairly unreliable anyway) which controller would suit the 170V DC
>system
> > > > that this car has. Citroen want 5 grand for a new ECU / controller
>box.
> > > > Any cheaper options available?
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
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>Message: 14
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:15:02 -0700
>From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <
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>Water cooled, radiator, fan from EV source...
>
>
>On Aug 19, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Morgan LaMoore wrote:
>
> > If it's air-cooled, could it be dust in the heatsinks? My laptop was
> > overheating recently (getting over 90 Celsius), and I found that a
> > 1/4"
> > layer of dust was blocking the heatsinks.
> >
> > I don't know if you want to take apart your controller to check that,
> > though, it might void your warranty.
> >
> > -Morgan LaMoore
> >
> > On 8/19/07, Mark Dutko <
[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> That's what I was thinking- It should be over cooled I would think???
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
David Brandt wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's the reply I got - of course it's over 100 here, and it
> >>> typically flashes towards the end of the hot afternoon drive, so I
> >>> can believe it's getting hot. It's hard to believe yours is...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David Brandt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
> >>> To:
[email protected]
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:26:56 PM
> >>> Subject: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I drove my Yaris on the Freeway today and never pulled more than 60
> >>> battery amps, the engine light would blink every once and a while
> >>> after the first 5 miles or so. I have the Ev source cooling kit
> >>> and a
> >>> fan blowing on the radiator. Is this a temp warning? It's less than
> >>> 70 outside and I thought I had the controller over cooled. It has
> >>> also blinked in the evening when it is under 60 outside and using
> >>> the
> >>> controller harder.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
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>Message: 15
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:17:25 -0700
>From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <
[email protected]>
>Message-ID: <
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>I bled all viable bubbles out of the system, the radiator does get
>war and the brass fitting on the pump is quite warm so I assume the
>coolant is flowing..
>
>
>On Aug 19, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Marty Hewes wrote:
>
> > Overcooled? What's it going to do at -20F in Chicago in January?
> > Is there
> > something I need to know? I have to wonder if it's a coolant flow
> > problem
> > or a temp sensor that's got a mind of it's own?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Dutko" <
[email protected]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> >
> >
> >> That's what I was thinking- It should be over cooled I would think???
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
David Brandt wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's the reply I got - of course it's over 100 here, and it
> >>> typically flashes towards the end of the hot afternoon drive, so I
> >>> can believe it's getting hot. It's hard to believe yours is...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David Brandt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
> >>> To:
[email protected]
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:26:56 PM
> >>> Subject: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I drove my Yaris on the Freeway today and never pulled more than 60
> >>> battery amps, the engine light would blink every once and a while
> >>> after the first 5 miles or so. I have the Ev source cooling kit
> >>> and a
> >>> fan blowing on the radiator. Is this a temp warning? It's less than
> >>> 70 outside and I thought I had the controller over cooled. It has
> >>> also blinked in the evening when it is under 60 outside and using
> >>> the
> >>> controller harder.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
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>Message: 16
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:19:40 -0700
>From: JS <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Powdercoating corroding; arcing between batt.
> terminal and battery rack
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Bob Bath wrote:
>
> > Anyone else had this happen? I'm frustrated at
> > puddling of acid around the battery tops, meaning that
> > the quick caps (all that US Battery is selling right
> > now) are indirectly responsible.
>
>I just put 2 of the quick caps (3 ganged) on my Trojan T105,
>and after 2 weeks I found acid had leaked out of the center
>cell cap, even though the water was low. I did not like
>the trojan grouping of 3 caps. I'm planning to find
>individual caps. (My other 46 cells were dry.)
>
>John in Sylmar, Ca
>PV EV
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 17
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:40:22 -0500
>From: "Marty Hewes" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS warnings, Re: New HEV and EV
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
>Message-ID: <
[email protected]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>Nasty comments on a web site, and venting anger in an Email forum isn't
>likely to fix the past situation, or develop a working relationship with a
>possibly promising future. You need to realize that we (home builders of
>BEV) are not perceived to be a big market, and that they do not live or die
>by what we think of them.
>
>There are two approaches we should be taking. First is to present some
>data
>as to how many $ we might spend in the near term future if they clean up
>their act. The other (hopefully simultaneous) approach is to bring some
>pressure down on them. It won't be from a web site or from a forum. The
>Chinese government is very concerned with perceptions about trade with
>companies in China, especially in the last few weeks (at least nobody's
>bitching about the lead content in batteries) and companies in China are
>very concerned with the governments perception of them. I was serious, the
>book Culture Shock covers this stuff. There are ways to fix this, and I
>don't see us pursuing them.
>
>I belong to the U.S. - China Chamber of Commerce here in Chicago. The
>purpose of the chamber is to break down trade barriers and solve problems.
>The chamber knows influential people in Shenzhen China, and I've been there
>myself (got the fake Rolex to prove it) and intend to go back. I might be
>able to do something about this, but I'm hearing a lot of complaining, too
>many differing opinions about what actually happened. I see no
>documentation
>about what the exact problems were, or what has been done recently to try
>to
>fix it, just a lot of hostility. That makes it pretty tough for me to do
>anything.
>
>Marty
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <
[email protected]>
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS warnings, Re: New HEV and EV
>
>
> > marty what has been said many time is do not do business with them
> > untill they change their ways that the bad vibs are intented to make
>them
> > aware that they must change and make honest restitution for the wrong
>they
> > have done this is not a case of punish untill they give a pound of
>flesh
> > + more and then make restutition . you are coming in on the tail of a
> > real long thread . these guy don't want ts's life blood they want ts to
> > make things right AND make honest restitution . that isnt any more than
> > you would want from a maf. that did you wrong .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marty Hewes<mailto:
[email protected]>
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:
[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 6:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS warnings, Re: New HEV and EV
> >
> >
> > This reminds me of certain parts of the world where dwelling on the
>past
> > creates such anger that making a better situation for the future just
> > can't
> > happen. I'm not saying what happened in the past was acceptable. But
>it
> > was the past, and holding onto that anger and simply attacking them is
> > not
> > going to get us where we'd like to be, having a reliable supplier. The
> > question is, is there a way to get from a troubled history, to a
>position
> > where we can count on them to supply us good batteries? Just lashing
>out
> > at
> > them is non-productive. What do we need to do to quit dwelling on the
> > past
> > and negotiate this to a mutually rewarding future? We need higher tech
> > batteries, few companies will talk to us, and this dwelling on the past
> > to
> > the exclusion of moving forward is seriously getting in the way.
> >
> > There is a huge difference between encouraging a teenage thief to do
>the
> > crime, and locking him up for life with no chance of parole for a bad
> > decision.
> >
> > I'm a new person around here, and I would really like some decent
> > batteries.
> > I'm getting really tired of hearing why I shouldn't have access to them
> > because of what someone (did I read that the "someone " doesn't even
>work
> > there anymore?) did to someone else a while back. I want to know what
>is
> > being negotiated to move forward.
> >
> > I suggest reading the book "Culture Shock" by Kevin Sinclair. He's got
> > some
> > very specific suggestions about how to get such problems corrected.
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Victor Tikhonov" <
[email protected]<mailto:
[email protected]>>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> > <
[email protected]<mailto:
[email protected]>>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS warnings, Re: New HEV and EV
> >
> >
> > > Rod Dilkes wrote:
> > >
> > > > I can understand the TS factory's reluctance to offer a warranty in
> > > > the circumstance where no battery management system was used.
> > >
> > > A BMS had nothing to do with it. TS sold defective cells to begin
>with,
> > > no BMS is meant (or can) fix bad cells.
> > >
> > > I meant to use the product with real BMS. Does this make any
> > difference?
> > >
> > > > However it does nothing to help the grass roots EV industry by
> > > > defaming one of the few battery manufacturers that will actually
> > > > supply EV enthusiasts!
> > >
> > > Are you suggesting to praise them for what they did in the sake of
> > > potential future benefits for EV enthusiasts? Sort of like encourage
> > > teenage thief to do the crime now (by letting it slide) because there
> > is
> > > a chance he will a good grown up person in future.
> > >
> > > Victor
> > >
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>Message: 18
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:59:00 -0600
>From: "Roland Wiench" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
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>Not likely it overcool. I ran the Zilla at -33 below and that's even with
>a
>large radiator fan, large holding tank and a 1 gallon per minute pump, and
>also a filter air 150 CFM Dayton blower.
>
>One LED is a low voltage indicator, and will flash when the main battery
>pack goes below the preset advance warning limit you program in that should
>be about 5 volts above the low warning limit, where it should stay on
>steady.
>
>The other LED is a pre-charge status that lights up when you start turning
>on the contactor circuit and then both lights should go off after start up.
>
>Also check the trouble codes and clear them out to see what happens. It
>also
>could be a loose or high resistance battery wire or may be a contactor
>bounce that could show a intermitted higher resistance.
>
>Roland
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Dutko" <
[email protected]>
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
>
>
> > I bled all viable bubbles out of the system, the radiator does get
> > war and the brass fitting on the pump is quite warm so I assume the
> > coolant is flowing..
> >
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Marty Hewes wrote:
> >
> > > Overcooled? What's it going to do at -20F in Chicago in January?
> > > Is there
> > > something I need to know? I have to wonder if it's a coolant flow
> > > problem
> > > or a temp sensor that's got a mind of it's own?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Dutko" <
[email protected]>
> > > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> > >
> > >
> > >> That's what I was thinking- It should be over cooled I would think???
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
David Brandt wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> That's the reply I got - of course it's over 100 here, and it
> > >>> typically flashes towards the end of the hot afternoon drive, so I
> > >>> can believe it's getting hot. It's hard to believe yours is...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> David Brandt
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>> From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
> > >>> To:
[email protected]
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:26:56 PM
> > >>> Subject: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I drove my Yaris on the Freeway today and never pulled more than 60
> > >>> battery amps, the engine light would blink every once and a while
> > >>> after the first 5 miles or so. I have the Ev source cooling kit
> > >>> and a
> > >>> fan blowing on the radiator. Is this a temp warning? It's less than
> > >>> 70 outside and I thought I had the controller over cooled. It has
> > >>> also blinked in the evening when it is under 60 outside and using
> > >>> the
> > >>> controller harder.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark
> > >>>
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>Message: 19
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:59:24 -0700
>From: "Cor van de Water" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] [EV] Re: oops
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
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>Message-ID:
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>Hi Eduardo,
>
>OK. Mountain View is bicycle-distance for me ;-)
>And Palo Alto is again the next town over.
>You come to the right place.
>
>San Jose EAA chapter meets every 2nd Sat of the month
>at Reid-Hillview Airport in San Jose, the Silicon Valley
>chapter meets every 3rd Sat in an HP building in Palo Alto.
>I believe the East Bay chapter meets the fourth Sat, while
>the San Francisco chapter meets the first Saturday.
>See the http://EAAEV.org
>http://eaaev.org/eaachapters.html#CALIFORNIA
>
>Besides the chapter meetings, you can meet interested
>individuals and their EVs.
>
>Regards,
>
>Cor van de Water
>Systems Architect
>Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
>Email:
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>-----Original Message-----
>From:
[email protected] [mailto:
[email protected]] On
>Behalf Of Eduardo Kaftanski
>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 2:17 PM
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] [EV] Re: oops
>
>On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 01:26:48PM -0700, Cor van de Water wrote:
> > Where in California? It is kinda big here, you may need an entire
> > weekend just to drink coffee with a person somewhere else in this
> > state.
>
>Sorry, I'll be in Mountain View, 45 min from San Francisco. I am currently
>11 plane hours away, so if I do have to cross the entire state it may still
>be worthy
>
> > Anyway - here in the San Francisco Bay area is an EV-hotspot, so if
> > you are in this area then there are several EAA chapters to
> > potentially meet up with, plus many individuals.
>
>Thats good then! I have to make reservations in a week, so I still have
>time to go a couple of days early or stay a day or two after those two
>dates I have to be in Mountain View.
>
>This will be my third time in the bay area, maybe this time I can rent a
>Prius to at least go half electric
>
>--
>Eduardo K. | Darwin pone las reglas.
>http://www.carfun.cl | Murphy, la oportunidad.
>http://ev.nn.cl |
> | Yo.
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>Message: 20
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:59:25 EDT
>From:
[email protected]
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
>To:
[email protected]
>Message-ID: <
[email protected]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>In a message dated 8/19/2007 5:52:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
>
[email protected] writes:
> > Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> > Date:8/19/2007 5:52:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> > From:
[email protected]
> > Reply-to:
[email protected]
> > To:
[email protected]
> > Received from Internet:
> > My zilla in my new S10 does have the warm lite blinking at about 20
>miles
> > but I do not have a fan on the radiator.I do also have a 2 quart resivor
>in the
> > loop.While I have been racing the past 2 Friday nights the warm light
>has
> > not come on. Dennis Berube
> >
> >
> > That's the reply I got - of course it's over 100 here, and it typically
> > flashes towards the end of the hot afternoon drive, so I can believe
>it's getting
> > hot. It's hard to believe yours is...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Brandt
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
> > To:
[email protected]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:26:56 PM
> > Subject: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> >
> >
> > I drove my Yaris on the Freeway today and never pulled more than 60
> > battery amps, the engine light would blink every once and a while
> > after the first 5 miles or so. I have the Ev source cooling kit and a
> > fan blowing on the radiator. Is this a temp warning? It's less than
> > 70 outside and I thought I had the controller over cooled. It has
> > also blinked in the evening when it is under 60 outside and using the
> > controller harder.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 21
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:02:52 -0700
>From: Jeff Shanab <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] battery help
>To:
[email protected]
>Message-ID: <
[email protected]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Huh? I thought this was answered.
>
> I have been skimming but...watts is watts. Miles is wh/ (wh/mile)
>and wh is (ah*volts) (run thru your calculation in units first and
>you will see)
>
>Given the same efficiency, 120V at 100ah is same as 240V at 50ah, both
>are 12kwh
>
>(12000wh*.8)/ (300wh/mile) = 32miles.
>
>When we start to consider pukerts and the ah if used in an hour. And the
>I^2R losses. It gets worse from here.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 22
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:07:03 -0700
>From: "Cor van de Water" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] battery help
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
>Message-ID:
> <
[email protected]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hi Joe,
>
>You may want to consult with John again (or ask Lee)
>if you do not believe me, but you should get the same
>answer from them, as physics laws do not lie.
>You can manipulate an experiment of course, for example
>pull away from every stop at may throttle - with the
>higher voltage you will be pulling MORE amps from the
>battery instead of less as soon as the controller is
>out of current limit, so that will ruin your range.
>You will have more fun but to compare the two trips
>as apples to apples comparison, you should use equal
>motor amps (driving at the same speed and acceleration)
>and them you will see that adding batteries does indeed
>add range.
>
>Success experimenting,
>
>Cor van de Water
>Systems Architect
>Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
>Email:
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>Behalf Of joe
>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:52 PM
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] battery help
>
>You are using the engineering philosophy that the theory always can be
>reduced to practical reality - I have done this, and can testify that it
>doesn't work out that way, and my friend John Wayland explained to me why
>it doesn't, which I have passed on to you!
>
>Joseph H. Strubhar
>
>Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cor van de Water" <
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>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] battery help
>
>
> > Correct,
> >
> > Adding batteries will always increase the amount of
> > energy that you are carrying and it is the energy that
> > gives you range.
> > You can easily see that from the reasoning that Joe used:
> > Adding batteries in series will not give more Ah, so he
> > drew the (false) conclusion that the range will not
> > increase when the Ah stay the same and only the voltage
> > increases. But if you look at how a controller works then
> > you see that the controller will perform a task called
> > "current multiplication" when the output voltage is
> > lower than the input voltage, (almost) equal to the
> > rate between the two.
> > Eaxmple: 120V and 100A input from the battery pack can
> > result in 60V and (almost) 200A output into the motor,
> > to maintain a certain driving speed.
> > Both are (almost) the same amount of power: 12kW.
> > Now if two batteries are added to the pack, the same
> > power is delivered at 144V when the batteries deliver
> > approx 80A.
> > This means that each battery delivers less power and
> > this means that it can deliver the required power for
> > a longer period, because the total energy contained
> > in the pack is increased by adding batteries.
> >
> > Hope this clarifies,
> >
> > Cor van de Water
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
[email protected] [mailto:
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> > Behalf Of damon henry
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:19 PM
> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] battery help
> >
> >
> > Joseph,
> >
> > You've been working too hard this summer. Adding batteries and leaving
> > everything else the same will always add range. In fact in the case of
> > lead acid batteries the range can be determined almost exclusively by
>how
> > much weight in batteries you are carrying. Whether they are in series
>or
> > parallel makes very little difference.
> >
> > BTW - I should be down at the track watching the Nedra guys run right
>now,
> > but it's looking like a possible rain out tonight. I called Wayland
>about
> > a half hour ago and they had cars lined up on the track trying to keep
>it
> > dry hoping the rain will pass.
> >
> > damon> Wait a minute, guys - as has been stated before, adding batteries
> > damon> will NOT > necessarily give you more range! It will give you
> > damon> somewhat better > performance, all else being equal. The
> > damon> amp-hours remains the same for any > number of batteries
> > damon> connected in series, and the additional weight will > negate most
> > damon> of the benefit beyond a certain point.> > Batteries connected in
> > damon> parallel will give more range, batteries connected in > series
> > damon> will boost performance.> > Joseph H. Strubhar>
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>Message: 23
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:09:31 -0700
>From: Jeff Shanab <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] H2 FS Record Ford
>To:
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>Message-ID: <
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>
>6700 lbs, 7miles range and 1 passenger. The most interesting is the
>comment about having presurized 60%helium+40%O2 so the did away with the
>compressor and filter. They off loaded that too. The important part is
>the electric drivetrains are being proven. This was "levereged" off the
>buckey
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 24
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:16:07 -0700
>From: Jeff Shanab <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
>To:
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>Message-ID: <
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>
>My first guess would be overheating, remember when it flashes to ask
>yourself what were you doing a mile ago.
>
>If your system is under sized, the heat accumulates and shows up with a
>delay.
>
>I had a problem when I first got that very same pump, I just didn't have
>all the air out and it would get a air bubble in it. Once that bubble of
>air got hot, it kinda vapor locked.
>
>Plug in the notebook and record it.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 25
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:22:16 -0700
>From: "David O'Neel" <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
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>Yes, Dave is fine. His driver is OK too. ;-)
>
>On 8/19/07, Marty Hewes <
[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Dave is OK I hope?
> >
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 26
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:24:46 -0700
>From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <
[email protected]>
>Message-ID: <
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>
>Thanks Roland- I will check my codes again. My engine light does come
>on at the key turn and then off at start- normal operation. Since
>this flashing only occurs after driving a while could it be a cable
>loosening under load? Or, if it were a contactor issue would it not
>be at startup only? I find it difficult to believe that the
>controller needs such extreme cooling at 50 battery amps to keep it
>from reaching a high temp. Is there a list of all the issues that
>cause a blinking engine light for the Zilla or is it just the ones
>you mentioned? MY LBV is at 36 now so that is not the problem and it
>happens on a full charge..
>
>
>
>M
>
>
>
>
>On Aug 19, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Roland Wiench wrote:
>
> > Not likely it overcool. I ran the Zilla at -33 below and that's
> > even with a
> > large radiator fan, large holding tank and a 1 gallon per minute
> > pump, and
> > also a filter air 150 CFM Dayton blower.
> >
> > One LED is a low voltage indicator, and will flash when the main
> > battery
> > pack goes below the preset advance warning limit you program in
> > that should
> > be about 5 volts above the low warning limit, where it should stay on
> > steady.
> >
> > The other LED is a pre-charge status that lights up when you start
> > turning
> > on the contactor circuit and then both lights should go off after
> > start up.
> >
> > Also check the trouble codes and clear them out to see what
> > happens. It also
> > could be a loose or high resistance battery wire or may be a contactor
> > bounce that could show a intermitted higher resistance.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Dutko" <
[email protected]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> >
> >
> >> I bled all viable bubbles out of the system, the radiator does get
> >> war and the brass fitting on the pump is quite warm so I assume the
> >> coolant is flowing..
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 19, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Marty Hewes wrote:
> >>
> >>> Overcooled? What's it going to do at -20F in Chicago in January?
> >>> Is there
> >>> something I need to know? I have to wonder if it's a coolant flow
> >>> problem
> >>> or a temp sensor that's got a mind of it's own?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mark Dutko" <
[email protected]>
> >>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:44 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> That's what I was thinking- It should be over cooled I would
> >>>> think???
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
David Brandt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> That's the reply I got - of course it's over 100 here, and it
> >>>>> typically flashes towards the end of the hot afternoon drive, so I
> >>>>> can believe it's getting hot. It's hard to believe yours is...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David Brandt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>> From: Mark Dutko <
[email protected]>
> >>>>> To:
[email protected]
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:26:56 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [EVDL] Zilla Engine Light Blinking
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I drove my Yaris on the Freeway today and never pulled more
> >>>>> than 60
> >>>>> battery amps, the engine light would blink every once and a while
> >>>>> after the first 5 miles or so. I have the Ev source cooling kit
> >>>>> and a
> >>>>> fan blowing on the radiator. Is this a temp warning? It's less
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> 70 outside and I thought I had the controller over cooled. It has
> >>>>> also blinked in the evening when it is under 60 outside and using
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> controller harder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>>
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