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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 40, Issue 34 BIG EV NEEDED

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Regarding the 350 pound wannabe EV/owner/operator. Does he/she drive
now? If so, make/model & year? Get a glider/donor of the same year &
make. That way the relatively huge EV'R will fit in the drivers seat.
Are finances an issue? If not Lithium/Ion, or Nickel/Metal/Hydride for
the pac would be the way to go. Lead acid?(NO!), the weight of the pac
would be aggravated by operator excess weight. Also, take a look on
Craig's List or E/Bay for a pre/built larger vehicle that just needs a
new pac. The last option, weight/watchers. If a person is that big,
their life exspectancy would be quite limited. Therefore their time to
enjoy the EV world would be extremely limited. Anybody else have any
ideas? John Farmer Toronto/Canada, Licenced Vehicle Mechanic, Owner of a
1989 Ford Ranger EV & a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid. Member of the Electric
Vehicle Society of Canada, Electric Auto Association of America,
Electric Vehicle Council of Ottawa. URL [email protected]

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:31:12 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: "phil galati" <[email protected]>
Subject: [EVDL] BIG EV NEEDED
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Hello Everyone,
I have a little problem with one of my customers that wants to build an
EV.
He is a very large man ( 350+ lbs. ) and wants an EV badly. I need to
find
him a glider to convert that he can fit in comfortably. Does anyone have
any
suggestions for a BIG EV enthusiast?
The EV will also have wet batteries so the biggest problem is weight.
Thanks,
Phil Galati
NJ EV Conversions
10 Delmar Ave.
Morris Plains, NJ 07950-1731
[email protected]
*http://sites.google.Com/site/njevconv/HOME
973.224.2619

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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 40, Issue 34 BIG EV NEEDED

On 24 Nov 2010 at 8:57, [email protected] wrote:

> If not Lithium Ion, or Nickel Metal Hydride for the [battery] pack
> would be the way to go.

I disagree, though I wish I didn't have to.

NiMH is a well proven battery for road EVs, but actually GETTING one is just
about hopeless. The manufacture of large enough modules for a pure EV is
extremely restricted by the Cobasys licensing terms - which very clearly are
deliberately designed to exclude pure EVs.

Only one or perhaps two companies have old licenses allowing them to
manufacture cells or modules of more than a few amp-hours, and paralleling
small cells creates a serious logistics and charging problem. I wish I
could say NiMH was an answer, but it is only in theory, not in practice.

> Lead acid?(NO!), the weight of the pack would be aggravated by operator
> excess weight.

Sure, a lead battery for a large EV is heavy - but how heavy? How large the
battery needs to be depends on the vehicle's defined mission, and we don't
know that yet. Phil didn't say in the OP.

It's not that tough to get a 20-30 mile range on even a 2-3 ton vehicle,
using lead batteries. John Lussmyer's Ford F250 pickup demonstrates that
pretty well, I think.

Besides, when you're already talking about a 3/4 to 1.5 ton battery, the
150lb difference between a 200lb driver and a 350lb driver is pretty much
just loose change.

> The last option, weight watchers.

As I understand it, Phil is in the business of selling EV conversions, not
diet plans. ;-)

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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 40, Issue 34 BIG EV NEEDED

LOL

Phil
NJ EV Conversions

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Date: 11/25/2010 8:36:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 40, Issue 34 BIG EV NEEDED

On 24 Nov 2010 at 8:57, [email protected] wrote:

> If not Lithium Ion, or Nickel Metal Hydride for the [battery] pack
> would be the way to go.

I disagree, though I wish I didn't have to.

NiMH is a well proven battery for road EVs, but actually GETTING one is just
about hopeless. The manufacture of large enough modules for a pure EV is
extremely restricted by the Cobasys licensing terms - which very clearly are
deliberately designed to exclude pure EVs.

Only one or perhaps two companies have old licenses allowing them to
manufacture cells or modules of more than a few amp-hours, and paralleling
small cells creates a serious logistics and charging problem. I wish I
could say NiMH was an answer, but it is only in theory, not in practice.

> Lead acid?(NO!), the weight of the pack would be aggravated by operator
> excess weight.

Sure, a lead battery for a large EV is heavy - but how heavy? How large the
battery needs to be depends on the vehicle's defined mission, and we don't
know that yet. Phil didn't say in the OP.

It's not that tough to get a 20-30 mile range on even a 2-3 ton vehicle,
using lead batteries. John Lussmyer's Ford F250 pickup demonstrates that
pretty well, I think.

Besides, when you're already talking about a 3/4 to 1.5 ton battery, the
150lb difference between a 200lb driver and a 350lb driver is pretty much
just loose change.

> The last option, weight watchers.

As I understand it, Phil is in the business of selling EV conversions, not
diet plans. ;-)

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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