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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 43, Issue 15

No Evan we should be all be asking if this works or not. I think Rogers =

comments are good. He tried and they failed. The Tesla guy just wante=
d to talk =

to me. At least he is available. There are testimonials but they don'=
t work =

for me. As far as Vancouver/Washington Eaa. Proximity. I figure mo=
re people =

on the EVDL have had dealing with these people good or bad and hopefully wi=
ll =

share their experience. Good or bad and once and for all put these guys =
where =

they belong. I"m inclined to believe Roger. He tried and they failed.=
Oh and =

after all is tried. Some where put a warning about these guys. Actual=
ly just =

exactly what their product does besides just moving green from one place to =

another. Real facts. Not speculation. Lawrence Rhodes.........
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Vancouver man selling battery rejouv/Tesla
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Roger Stockton <[email protected]>wrot=
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> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
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> > Does anyone know the answer to the original questions.
> > Does either of these methods work? You would
> > think the Vancouver EAA or a group in Northern Washington
> > would know these people or even might be employees.
>
> I'm not sure why you think this, or why you think the Tesla charger compa=
ny
> is in any way related to anything or anyone in Vancouver (WA or BC).
>

It's not.

Vancouver battery reviver guy (Rob Matthies):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNzIMq9JdbfA<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
=3DNzIMq9JdbfA&feature=3Drelated>


Tesla Charger guy (Peter Lindeman):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHgSVB1o8cuY
- A snip at only $481 for a 1A trickle charger!

Different guys, similar very dubious claims.
I wish people would stop publicising this sort of thing on the EVDL, it's
not relevant to our interests.
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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 43, Issue 15

On 13 Feb 2011 at 9:22, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:

> ... we should be all be asking if this works or not ...* I figure more
> people on the EVDL have had dealing with these people good or bad and
> hopefully will share their experience.

>From what I've seen, the response you're most likely to get here, if you get
any at all, is "It worked for me" or "It's junk."

I don't mean to denigrate anyone on the EVDL, but from what I've seen in the
past, the majority of us are consumers, not researchers. At that level
we're not that much different from the folks who post reviews elsewhere on
the web - Amazon, Epinions, and so forth.

FYI, I include myself in that group. I seldom take the time to investigate
what's really going on. If it works, that's usually enough for me. Mea
culpa.

Certainly there are a few who will go beyond that level, but not many of us
will actually carry out rigorous tests on a product like this, as Roger
proposed. In fact, even some of the most well-educated and technologically
sophisticated members of this list have, in the past, limited their testing
and reporting on new products to simple anecdotes. Maybe it's just a matter
of limited time - I can certainly understand that!

Regardless of the "why," most folks who have an interest in something like
this might buy it and hook it up or otherwise put it into use. If it does
something that seems to help, they'll say "it worked for me," even if the
improvement is coincidental. If it doesn't, they'll say "it's junk," with
very little further information. Maybe it didn't work for them because they
didn't follow instructions, or because they used it for the wrong purpose.
You usually can't tell for sure.

So while user reports here can be of some utility, what you really want is
the kind of well controlled test that Roger suggested.

You may have different standards, but the fact that the principals wouldn't
take part in such a test tells me all I need to know about them.

David Roden
EVDL Administrator
http://www.evdl.org/
 
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