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Re: [EVDL] ForkenSwift on YouTube; net build cost

Darin at- forkenswift.com wrote:
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> It goes without saying that the car isn't finished yet. Still lots of
> detail work yet left to do, plus watching eBay for a 48-72v controller,
> etc...
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still... its very nice and works!


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Re: [EVDL] ForkenSwift on YouTube; net build cost

Well I wonder how many motor amps you would need your controller to put out
at 84V? I actually have one of those kelly controllers at 84V 600 amp. Sent
from China and took 4 days for me to get in Florida via USPS express mail.
Though lead time was 6-7 weeks for this model, others might be less. It is
real heavy, but small. Won't have time tell November to install it. Plus, my
flywheel locked up, so something is definitely wrong with my install. Motor
still spins when clutch is pressed. Plus, it was slipping out of gear before
it locked up. Anyways, I might need a new transmission or clutch. Gonna
remove outer ring gear on flywheel and try putting it back together and
putting some spacers at the bottom of the motor adapter plate. As I think
the angle is wrong on the motor and transmission. Thank goodness an old
transmission can be gotten for $75-$115 and clutch kit for $88 for a metro.
I'd be glad to change settings on the controller with my PC and run it at
400 amps max ($389) or even 300 amps max ($329) at 84V and tell you the
speed and time it takes to get there. They told me to keep voltage on pack
below 92V via email, so I'll have to check this out as 13v x 7 = 91V. If it
is borderline, then I'll add a diode on + wire that goes to controller as
each one should reduce voltage 1volt. When you order a kelly controller from
a vendor they send order to kelly controller. So to find order status you
should email kelly controller directly as the vendor doesn't know squat.
Also, alltrax's axe can be gotten for $587 at
http://www.evdrives.com/axe_new_motor_controller.html , plus at many other
sites too.
With just a contactor controller I could pull 750 motor amps at 52v pack if
I shifted too early. Though if I waited to shift until amps went down to 120
amps, then the next gear was 330 amps. Though, I am sure the banging and
rubbing flywheel caused some inefficiencies.



Darin at- forkenswift.com wrote:
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>
> It goes without saying that the car isn't finished yet. Still lots of
> detail work yet left to do, plus watching eBay for a 48-72v controller,
> etc...
>
> cheers-
> Darin
>
> http://forkenswift.com
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1146
>

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Re: [EVDL] ForkenSwift on YouTube; net build cost

ampaynz1 wrote:
> With just a contactor controller I could pull 750 motor amps at 52v pack
> if I shifted too early. Though if I waited to shift until amps went down
> to 120 amps, then the next gear was 330 amps.

This was in a Metro conversion? Do you have an EV Album entry - I'd like to
learn more about it.

cheers-
Darin

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Re: [EVDL] ForkenSwift on YouTube; net build cost

Very not bad! Good humor, good video effects and nice build on the car!
=

I love the emergency disconnect with the clutch pedal. I'm going to have to=
build something in like that.
=

The most important thing, is that you've once again proven that cost is not=
the issue to owning an EV. It's strictly a matter of hard work, reading, a=
nd collaboration.
=

You know....you can fit maybe 2 or 3 more batteries alone the existing row =
for a little more "oomph". ;-)
=

Rich A.
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>Message: 11>Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:51:12 -0700 (PDT)>From: "Darin at- f=
orkenswift.com" <[email protected]>>Subject: [EVDL] ForkenSwift on YouT=
ube; net build cost>To: [email protected]>Message-ID: <[email protected]=
abble.com>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii> > >For those follo=
wing this project, a new YouTube video is up to mark the car's>transition t=
o legal EV status:> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRBQWXyxSTyU> The vid=
has small amount of fun at GM's expense (which Impact/EV1 fans mayrecogniz=
e), and then shows the car in action. FYI: some beer budget accounting: $67=
2 - the net build cost, excluding taxes, registration & insurance (whichtot=
al nearly the same amount again!). I included inspection fees in thebuild c=
ost however. $1811 - this was the total cash outlay. $1139 - money recover=
ed through: selling ICE parts (nothing was wasted - weactually made a littl=
e profit over the cost of the 2 donor cars!); scraprefunds (a few batteries=
; also the stripped forklift chassis netted ahealthy $364 from the recycler=
- and that included them picking it up); andthe sale of the forklift's tra=
ction motor. Of course this doesn't include the donated stuff (e.g. used ba=
tteries), orthe year and a half of tinker time. $2500 - $3000 - is roughly =
what I figure it would cost someone to replicatethis vehicle with new batte=
ries, minus the blind luck scoring cheap parts &the generosity we encounter=
ed along the way. That includes the donorvehicle. It goes without saying th=
at the car isn't finished yet. Still lots ofdetail work yet left to do, plu=
s watching eBay for a 48-72v controller,etc...> >cheers->Darin> >http://for=
kenswift.com>http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1146>-- =

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Re: [EVDL] ForkenSwift on YouTube; net build cost

I thought the same thing about the clutch disconnect. It's a terrific
idea - if one can refrain from accidentally using it out of habit! Perhaps
one could put a high pressure break-away type safety on it, say a plastic
zip-tie or something that takes some effort to snap. That might remind one
not to use the pedal accidentally.

- Kip

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] ForkenSwift on YouTube; net build cost


>
> Very not bad! Good humor, good video effects and nice build on the car!
>
> I love the emergency disconnect with the clutch pedal. I'm going to have
> to build something in like that.
>
> The most important thing, is that you've once again proven that cost is
> not the issue to owning an EV. It's strictly a matter of hard work,
> reading, and collaboration.
>
> You know....you can fit maybe 2 or 3 more batteries alone the existing row
> for a little more "oomph". ;-)
>
> Rich A.

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Re: [EVDL] ForkenSwift on YouTube; net build cost

Kip C. Anderson wrote:
> Perhaps
> one could put a high pressure break-away type safety on it, say a plastic
> zip-tie or something that takes some effort to snap.

That's a great idea!

I can report that I haven't pressed it accidentally ... while driving.

Though I have pressed it when first getting *into* the car before my brain
has had a chance to load up the EV driving procedures. In the ICE car it's
habit for me to press both the brake & clutch as soon as I sit down & put
the key into the ignition to start it.

Darin
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