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Re: [EVDL] Got Juice? - ie., is the charger charging? (WAS: Re: Manzanita failure)

Generally,

Serial2BT adapters cost around $40 and up, you need one on the sending
device, in this case the meter and you need a blue-tooth enabled
computer or other device that support the serial port profile, SPP. A
USB blue-tooth adapter for a computer costs $3 but they are so small
you have to buy 5 because you'll loose them all the time..... You also
need Windows XP or other modern operating system with a BT stack.

In Windows XP the remote Serial2BT adapter shows up as just another
serial port in your system, so you run whatever software you would run
if you had the device linked by cable.

If you're an old fogie who runs MSDOS 6.3 ;), you can get two
adapters, one for the sending device and one for your intel 286
computer, the bluetooth adapters will talk to each other and it will
be just like having a cable connecting your device.

Of course, the adapters need to be powered. The one in my car is
powered by a 6v wall-wart, I only use it when charging.




Lee Hart <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Would http://www.serialio.com/products/SerialMagic/use/Multimeter_BT_AA=
A.php
>> be something like you were thinking of?"
>
> It's hard to me to figure out exactly how this would work. Could someone
> explain?
>
> 1. It appears to read the serial data from a particular meter
> (Protek 506). I happened to have one of these meters; it worked
> for a year and died. As I recall, it sent encoded data (its LCD
> segments, rather than ASCII values). I had to run a Windows
> program on my PC to read its data.
>
> 2. I assume their device translates RS-232 data into Bluetooth RF
> data, which needs to be received by some device with Bluetooth.
> Won't most Bluetooth devices ignore it, because it's not a
> headset or other expected device?
>
> 3. They show a too-small-to-read screen on a high-end mobile phone
> that I guess is supposed to be telling you what the meter reads.
> Where does the software come from that translates the meter's
> segments into sensible readings on the phone?
>
> 4. The Protek meter I had was strictly battery operated (no AC
> adapter option). It also automatically shut itself off after
> 15 minutes of use, with no option to keep it on. Their Bluetooth
> device is also battery operated, and probably can't operate for
> very long. How would you get around that?
>
> 5. What is this whole affair going to cost? It looks like a number
> of over-$100-each black boxes are needed.
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> 814 8th Ave N | Forget the perfect offering
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Re: [EVDL] Got Juice? - ie., is the charger charging? (WAS: Re: Manzanita failure)

Peter Gabrielsson wrote:
> Of course, the adapters need to be powered. The one in my car is
> powered by a 6v wall-wart, I only use it when charging.

I have one of the earliest serial/bt adapters--Blue Console. It's neat
in that it will, if possible, power itself from the serial port. If not,
it has 9V battery contacts right on it. It's about the size of a 9V
battery so it doubles in size with one connected. Which makes it about
the same size as most of the ones you buy today that need a wall wart.
Not useful for a long-term connection but great to keep in my laptop bag
for configuring network devices (which is what I mostly use it for).

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Re: [EVDL] Got Juice? - ie., is the charger charging? (WAS: Re: Manzanita failure)

I have two novel solutions for monitoring my charging progress. I have
decided to go with #2.

1. Use a laptop with a serial port and webcam.
Traning the webcam to the amp meter on the dash put a multimeter with serial
out to the laptop and use
remote desktop to tap into the laptop via wifi (everywhere I charge normally
has wifi access) with my droid or a computer.

2. Use a wireless enabled webcam and just train it on the amp meter.

I went with number 2 (parts are about $100 bucks.) because its simple,
compact only requires a single device and no wires (aside from a 110 outlet
which I have available in the trunk when charging unless i can find a
rechargable one.

With my force, when its charging a green light flashes and the amp hour
meter counts backwards. So, assuming one of those is visable via the camera
should be good.

This would work where there is wifi and a bit of network knowledge.
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Re: [EVDL] Got Juice? - ie., is the charger charging? (WAS: Re: Manzanita failure)

I purchased one of those little BT dongles for 99cents on EBay. It did
not have the oomph to connect to the car downstairs. It would connect
to the DMM's dongle several feet away, however.

Also, the serial dongle down in the car can be powered via a USB cable,
but I don't have a USB source down there.

Peter, your reply several months ago finally got me straightened out on
what I needed to do with dongles and software. I don't remember the
exact posting scene now, but I will say thanks. It was about the time I
stopped bouncing off so many walls and started making progress.

Peter Gabrielsson wrote:
> Generally,
>
> Serial2BT adapters cost around $40 and up, you need one on the sending
> device, in this case the meter and you need a blue-tooth enabled
> computer or other device that support the serial port profile, SPP. A
> USB blue-tooth adapter for a computer costs $3 but they are so small
> you have to buy 5 because you'll loose them all the time..... You also
> need Windows XP or other modern operating system with a BT stack.
>
> In Windows XP the remote Serial2BT adapter shows up as just another
> serial port in your system, so you run whatever software you would run
> if you had the device linked by cable.
>
> If you're an old fogie who runs MSDOS 6.3 ;), you can get two
> adapters, one for the sending device and one for your intel 286
> computer, the bluetooth adapters will talk to each other and it will
> be just like having a cable connecting your device.
>
> Of course, the adapters need to be powered. The one in my car is
> powered by a 6v wall-wart, I only use it when charging.
>
>
>
>
>
Lee Hart <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Would http://www.serialio.com/products/SerialMagic/use/Multimeter_BT_AAA.php
>>> be something like you were thinking of?"
>> It's hard to me to figure out exactly how this would work. Could someone
>> explain?
>>
>> 1. It appears to read the serial data from a particular meter
>> (Protek 506). I happened to have one of these meters; it worked
>> for a year and died. As I recall, it sent encoded data (its LCD
>> segments, rather than ASCII values). I had to run a Windows
>> program on my PC to read its data.
>>
>> 2. I assume their device translates RS-232 data into Bluetooth RF
>> data, which needs to be received by some device with Bluetooth.
>> Won't most Bluetooth devices ignore it, because it's not a
>> headset or other expected device?
>>
>> 3. They show a too-small-to-read screen on a high-end mobile phone
>> that I guess is supposed to be telling you what the meter reads.
>> Where does the software come from that translates the meter's
>> segments into sensible readings on the phone?
>>
>> 4. The Protek meter I had was strictly battery operated (no AC
>> adapter option). It also automatically shut itself off after
>> 15 minutes of use, with no option to keep it on. Their Bluetooth
>> device is also battery operated, and probably can't operate for
>> very long. How would you get around that?
>>
>> 5. What is this whole affair going to cost? It looks like a number
>> of over-$100-each black boxes are needed.
>> --
>> Lee A. Hart | Ring the bells that still can ring
>> 814 8th Ave N | Forget the perfect offering
>> Sartell MN 56377 | There is a crack in everything
>> leeahart earthlink.net | That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
>>
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>
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Re: [EVDL] Got Juice? - ie., is the charger charging? (WAS: Re: Manzanita failure)

How about a car alarm with a paging feature?

http://www.amazon.com/Hopping-TWO-WAY-Universal-Vehicle-Security/dp/B002R1R5
Y4/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1284758471&sr=1-5

Says it goes 3000 feet..


Travis


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Manzanita failure)


I have two novel solutions for monitoring my charging progress. I have
decided to go with #2.

1. Use a laptop with a serial port and webcam.
Traning the webcam to the amp meter on the dash put a multimeter with serial
out to the laptop and use
remote desktop to tap into the laptop via wifi (everywhere I charge normally
has wifi access) with my droid or a computer.

2. Use a wireless enabled webcam and just train it on the amp meter.

I went with number 2 (parts are about $100 bucks.) because its simple,
compact only requires a single device and no wires (aside from a 110 outlet
which I have available in the trunk when charging unless i can find a
rechargable one.

With my force, when its charging a green light flashes and the amp hour
meter counts backwards. So, assuming one of those is visable via the camera
should be good.

This would work where there is wifi and a bit of network knowledge.
dex
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Manzanita-failu
re-tp2535870p2544444.html
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Nabble.com.

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Re: [EVDL] Got Juice? - ie., is the charger charging? (WAS: Re: Manzanita failure)

You're welcome, glad I could help.

I solved the range issue by hacking a bigger antenna onto the car
blue-tooth dongle. It helped greatly.

Chuck Hursch <[email protected]> wrote:
> I purchased one of those little BT dongles for 99cents on EBay. It did
> not have the oomph to connect to the car downstairs. It would connect
> to the DMM's dongle several feet away, however.
>
> Also, the serial dongle down in the car can be powered via a USB cable,
> but I don't have a USB source down there.
>
> Peter, your reply several months ago finally got me straightened out on
> what I needed to do with dongles and software. I don't remember the
> exact posting scene now, but I will say thanks. It was about the time I
> stopped bouncing off so many walls and started making progress.
>
> Peter Gabrielsson wrote:
>> Generally,
>>
>> Serial2BT adapters cost around $40 and up, you need one on the sending
>> device, in this case the meter and you need a blue-tooth enabled
>> computer or other device that support the serial port profile, SPP. A
>> USB blue-tooth adapter for a computer costs $3 but they are so small
>> you have to buy 5 because you'll loose them all the time..... You also
>> need Windows XP or other modern operating system with a BT stack.
>>
>> In Windows XP the remote Serial2BT adapter shows up as just another
>> serial port in your system, so you run whatever software you would run
>> if you had the device linked by cable.
>>
>> If you're an old fogie who runs MSDOS 6.3 ;), you can get two
>> adapters, one for the sending device and one for your intel 286
>> computer, the bluetooth adapters will talk to each other and it will
>> be just like having a cable connecting your device.
>>
>> Of course, the adapters need to be powered. The one in my car is
>> powered by a 6v wall-wart, I only use it when charging.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Lee Hart <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Would http://www.serialio.com/products/SerialMagic/use/Multimeter_BT_=
AAA.php
>>>> be something like you were thinking of?"
>>> It's hard to me to figure out exactly how this would work. Could someone
>>> explain?
>>>
>>> 1. It appears to read the serial data from a particular meter
>>> (Protek 506). I happened to have one of these meters; it worked
>>> for a year and died. As I recall, it sent encoded data (its LCD
>>> segments, rather than ASCII values). I had to run a Windows
>>> program on my PC to read its data.
>>>
>>> 2. I assume their device translates RS-232 data into Bluetooth RF
>>> data, which needs to be received by some device with Bluetooth.
>>> Won't most Bluetooth devices ignore it, because it's not a
>>> headset or other expected device?
>>>
>>> 3. They show a too-small-to-read screen on a high-end mobile phone
>>> that I guess is supposed to be telling you what the meter reads.
>>> Where does the software come from that translates the meter's
>>> segments into sensible readings on the phone?
>>>
>>> 4. The Protek meter I had was strictly battery operated (no AC
>>> adapter option). It also automatically shut itself off after
>>> 15 minutes of use, with no option to keep it on. Their Bluetooth
>>> device is also battery operated, and probably can't operate for
>>> very long. How would you get around that?
>>>
>>> 5. What is this whole affair going to cost? It looks like a number
>>> of over-$100-each black boxes are needed.
>>> --
>>> Lee A. Hart | Ring the bells that still can ring
>>> 814 8th Ave N | Forget the perfect offering
>>> Sartell MN 56377 | There is a crack in everything
>>> leeahart earthlink.net | That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Coh=
en
>>>
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Re: [EVDL] Got Juice? - ie., is the charger charging? (WAS: Re: Manzanita failure)

On 17 Sep 2010 at 13:59, kevin lubot wrote:

> 2. Use a wireless enabled webcam and just train it on the amp meter.

Brilliant!

Reminds me of the folks who tweak series motor brush advance by parking a
cheap camcorder next to the brush port and going for a drive.

Now let's see. I wonder if there's a way to get that wifi device talking to
the cellular network ... but perhaps that puts us back where we were before.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Got Juice? - ie., is the charger charging? (WAS: Re: Manzanita failure)

Chuck Hursch wrote:
<[...] it appears that my laptop's harddrive died overnight while taking data a couple of nights ago [...]>

Since I worked on that laptop to get it ready for your EV charging project, I checked for an email from you about its failure. Yup, found your email got dumped into the spam folder.

I will email you offline/directly as laptop repairs are OT for EVDL. But that old laptop is ancient (made back when men were trying to be women, and women were like men but still complaining ...). I'll suggest some other options as well (rather than throwing good money after bad).
-Bruce







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