Re: [EVDL] homemade Hummer to have turbine jet engine recharge super capacitor batter

Ben <[email protected]> wrote:
> The difficult part of his current project involves the uncharted
> territory he's entering. The high speed turbine / generator is
> certainly possible, and I found a few references to prototype devices,
> but at 60,000RPM, it is a very close tolerance system. I'm not even
> sure if there are off-the-shelf high power generators available for
> the rated RPM he is looking for - my quick Google search didn't
> produce anything in production. I'm sure a surplus starter generator
> would work, but I can't imagine it is designed to produce the amount
> of power he is hoping to produce in a few seconds runtime. Anyone fly?
> It sounds like he's using a helicopter turbine, anyone know the
> typical output from their starter generators?
>
> The other problem with the "just bolting something up" idea is the
> fact that these supercapacitors he says he is going to use simply
> don't exist yet. Sure, we've had a few companies claim they are coming
> to market, but there haven't been any demonstrations yet and people
> who have been on this list far longer than I have chimed in just over
> the past few days that these capacitors have been claimed before and
> we are already well past the dates they were supposed to go to market,
> without even seeing demonstrations of working prototypes. At the
> moment, they are vaporware.
>
> As for the DIY garage philosophy driving his past accomplishments ..
> it sure did, but they were in a whole different ballpark. As far as
> the articles on him are reporting, his claim to fame are a few
> biodiesel conversions. Very respectable from an environmental
> standpoint, but hardly cutting edge. The fact that he did what GM
> claimed was impossible just tells us he knows his way around a diesel
> engine, and that GM is still outspoken against most things
> non-petroleum.
>
> If I misinterpreted something in the articles out there, please
> correct me. So far, though, I don't see him building this turbine
> powered series hybrid running on
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2007 4:08 PM, GWMobile <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I think in the end just bolting something up is actualy what it takes
> > after suffienct design and planning. This illusion that it is mystic
> > science or beyond the capabilities of a regualr person and a small
> > garage is exactly what he has ALREADY proven incorrect in his last cars
> > that ALREADY perform beyond what gm said was possible.
> >
> > It is in fact just '"bolting it up " that is what is necessary.
> >
> > That's the point he proved already.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 9:58 am, Loni wrote:
> > > Not to dismiss his previous accomplishments, but this time I'll believe
> > > it
> > > when I see it. He won't just be bolting up GM parts in interesting new
> > > ways
> > > to build a Hybrid Hummer with a jet turbine and "supercapacitor"
> > > batteries.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Geopilot" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:29 PM
> > > Subject: [EVDL] homemade Hummer to have turbine jet engine recharge
> > > super
> > > capacitor batteries, will be able to perform awesome feats of
> > > acceleration
> > > and power over and over again
> > >
> > >
> > >> from http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/30/14161/066
> > >>
> > >> Goodwin leads me over to a red 2005 H3 Hummer that's up on jacks,
> > >> its mechanicals removed. He aims to use the turbine to turn the Hummer
> > >> into a tricked-out electric hybrid. Like most hybrids, it'll have two
> > >> engines, including an electric motor. But in this case, the second
> > >> will
> > >> be the [jet] turbine, Goodwin's secret ingredient. Whenever the
> > >> truck's
> > >> juice runs low, the turbine will roar into action for a few seconds,
> > >> powering a generator with such gusto that it'll recharge a set of
> > >> "supercapacitor" batteries in seconds. This means the H3's electric
> > >> motor will be able to perform awesome feats of acceleration and power
> > >> over and over again, like a Prius on steroids. What's more, the
> > >> turbine
> > >> will burn biodiesel, a renewable fuel with much lower emissions than
> > >> normal diesel; a hydrogen-injection system will then cut those low
> > >> emissions in half. And when it's time to fill the tank, he'll be able
> > >> to
> > >> just pull up to the back of a diner and dump in its excess french-fry
> > >> grease--as he does with his many other Hummers. Oh, yeah, he adds, the
> > >> horsepower will double--from 300 to 600.
> > >>
> > >> "Conservatively," Goodwin muses, scratching his chin, "it'll get
> > >> 60
> > >> miles to the gallon. With 2,000 foot-pounds of torque. You'll be able
> > >> to
> > >> smoke the tires. And it's going to be superefficient."
> > >>
> > >> He laughs. "Think about it: a 5,000-pound vehicle that gets 60
> > >> miles to the gallon and does zero to 60 in five seconds!"
> > >>
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