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Re: [EVDL] Is the EV list actually a hindrance to the promotion ofEVs?

Not many people will read *all* EVDL mails
Not many people will remember what was in all mails they read.

Case in point: I did actually read the one email
where Jack announced that he was working on a
CAN-bus to Wi-Fi converter, but I did not make
the link that his device was what was needed in
the iPhone app thread.
It may be my fading memory, or my understanding of
what can be done with a CAN-bus converter or simply
because this time the quarter did not fall...
So what is wrong with mentioning that you have a
piece of the puzzle, even though it is not finished
yet and maybe even need other things (a CAN-WiFi
transceiver in itself is not enough - that is why
the subject of the discussion was the iPhone app)

And if someone else mentions that he sees a need and
solicits input - of course that is a potential
competitor, so I would say it is a great moment to
step out and display what your plans are, not to
have them stolen, but to find your future customers.
The need was already voiced. If the potential supplier
does not step forward, someone else will...

Regards,

Cor van de Water
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If you have been keeping up with Jack you'd know he has been working on
this.
Don't let competition stand in your way.

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Re: [EVDL] Is the EV list actually a hindrance to the promotion ofEVs?

I skim most posts, but any time something like CAN-bus comes up hit delete because I don't speak that language, and I am not willing to devote my scarce time to learning it.

I'm still note sure if Mark or Jack's product ideas meet "my" objective of simply configuring my Zilla.

Channeling Scottie:
"Damnit Jim, I'm an economist not a hardware/software engineer"

As far as soliciting business for product development I'm all for if and i think it is consistent with list rules. Further backhanded comments about potential customers does not encourage me to do business with a company

Sent from my iPhone
(Which iv'e been carrying since it replaced my Palm Treo, neither of which can configure my zilla with it.)

"Cor van de Water" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Not many people will read *all* EVDL mails
> Not many people will remember what was in all mails they read.
>
> Case in point: I did actually read the one email
> where Jack announced that he was working on a
> CAN-bus to Wi-Fi converter, but I did not make
> the link that his device was what was needed in
> the iPhone app thread.
> It may be my fading memory, or my understanding of
> what can be done with a CAN-bus converter or simply
> because this time the quarter did not fall...
> So what is wrong with mentioning that you have a
> piece of the puzzle, even though it is not finished
> yet and maybe even need other things (a CAN-WiFi
> transceiver in itself is not enough - that is why
> the subject of the discussion was the iPhone app)
>
> And if someone else mentions that he sees a need and
> solicits input - of course that is a potential
> competitor, so I would say it is a great moment to
> step out and display what your plans are, not to
> have them stolen, but to find your future customers.
> The need was already voiced. If the potential supplier
> does not step forward, someone else will...
>
> Regards,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
> Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
> Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [email protected]
> Tel: +1 408 383 7626 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
> Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of gottdi
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:20 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Is the EV list actually a hindrance to the promotion
> ofEVs?
>
>
> If you have been keeping up with Jack you'd know he has been working on
> this.
> Don't let competition stand in your way.
>
> -----
> If you don't understand, be patient, you will. Now I understand. :)
> --
> View this message in context:
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> ist-actually-a-hindrance-to-the-promotion-of-EVs-tp3208225p3208311.html
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> Nabble.com.
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Re: [EVDL] Is the EV list actually a hindrance to the promotion ofEVs?

Sent from my iPhone

"John G. Lussmyer" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 1/10/2011 7:54 PM, John wrote:
>> I skim most posts, but any time something like CAN-bus comes up hit delete because I don't speak that language, and I am not willing to devote my scarce time to learning it.
>>
>> I'm still note sure if Mark or Jack's product ideas meet "my" objective of simply configuring my Zilla.
>
> Well, as long as you don't require it to work on an iPhone, there is
> always ZillaConfig. Works great on Netbooks.
> http://www.casadelgato.com/ZillaConfig
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Re: [EVDL] Is the EV list actually a hindrance to the promotion ofEVs?

Easy, folks. I confess, I haven't been following this thread closely, just
skimming the posts. My impression is that maybe we've had a few slightly
testy posts, but I haven't seen anything too egregious or horribly uncivil.


None of it is that surprising when you consider how strongly some folks get
attached to certain kinds of technology. Seems to me this is another verse
of the never ending song, Apple vs MS, AC vs DC, AGM vs flooded.

If you're developing an EV device to your own requirements and then making
it available to the EV community as a whole, that's one end of the spectrum.
That seems to be what John Lussmyer has done with his Zilla configuration
program.

The other end is a development process that's aimed mainly at making a
business of the product you're working on, where you seek input from the
list on what the average EVers needs are and then try to meet them. That's
the PFC and Zilla approach.

Somewhere in there too is the guy who designs and builds something useful,
then releases the instructions for it into the public domain. Mark Hanson
and Lee Hart, among others, have done this for years.

I think there's room for all these approaches here on the list.

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Re: [EVDL] Is the EV list actually a hindrance to the promotion ofEVs?

I think this list is also damaging not just a hinderance

I saw the ac compressor post and a followup where someone said "ask Wayne that's his stuff"

My immediate thought was that he was another money hungry person selling stuff at a 1000% markup because it labelled EV use

Luckily I saw wayne's response that he is not associated with these eBay ads

I looked at the ads and read through them and they recommended a 220v inverter they also sell.

Yet many people commented them as 110v compressors even quoted their current draw which was way too low for them to be 110v units

This just shows that most people don't read the whole post and comment to quickly adding to the confusion

Just my 2c


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"EVDL Administrator" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Easy, folks. I confess, I haven't been following this thread closely, just
> skimming the posts. My impression is that maybe we've had a few slightly
> testy posts, but I haven't seen anything too egregious or horribly uncivil.
>
>
> None of it is that surprising when you consider how strongly some folks get
> attached to certain kinds of technology. Seems to me this is another verse
> of the never ending song, Apple vs MS, AC vs DC, AGM vs flooded.
>
> If you're developing an EV device to your own requirements and then making
> it available to the EV community as a whole, that's one end of the spectrum.
> That seems to be what John Lussmyer has done with his Zilla configuration
> program.
>
> The other end is a development process that's aimed mainly at making a
> business of the product you're working on, where you seek input from the
> list on what the average EVers needs are and then try to meet them. That's
> the PFC and Zilla approach.
>
> Somewhere in there too is the guy who designs and builds something useful,
> then releases the instructions for it into the public domain. Mark Hanson
> and Lee Hart, among others, have done this for years.
>
> I think there's room for all these approaches here on the list.
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
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