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Re: [EVDL] Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger | $865 Coco nEV by goingOkie

Martin,
This is not about fast-charging but about swapping.
And this particular car comes without the option
to charge at home, you will be *forced* to visit
the swapping station to get a fresh charged pack.
I don't think that will work, but we'll see.

Regards,

Cor van de Water
Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Martin WINLOW
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:05 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger | $865 Coco nEV by
goingOkie

Cor,

Surely one isn't going to *need* a re-charging station every few blocks
as most EV-using city dwellers/visitors will be able to charge at home
for 95% of their use. This is one of the EV's main advantages over the
ICE-based auto scene. The need for fast re-charging stations away from
the main population centres however is imperative.

Agree 100% with Bill tho - Lead is dead (in the context of a future EV
populated world).

Regards, Martin Winlow
Herts, UK
http://www.evalbum.com/2092
www.winlow.co.uk


Cor van de Water wrote:

> Another issue is that it will not be easy to have swapping stations as

> dense as gas stations located every few city blocks, so you need to
> drive more to get to and from the swapping station, besides your
> normal daily driving. Who wants to drive more if the best
> characteristic of any EV is that you can charge at home - except this
> one?
>
> The $6 per swap means that the car is not cheaper in operation than
> other efficient vehicles, because nobody will get the advertised 150km

> range, especially if the swapping station is another 10 km away from
> you and you don't like to gamble on the last electrons to arrive
> there, then you have no more than 100-120km of range, which is
> typically not achieved under normal driving so assuming normal driving

> you might have about 80 km.
> This is 50 miles for $6 and this means that many efficient ICE
> vehicles will beat the operational cost of this EV.
>
> So, unless the vehicle is very attractively priced or can be leased or

> used as "Greenwheels" type of rent-as-you-go I doubt that this model
> will work.
> But as always, time will tell...
>
> Cor van de Water
> Director HW & Systems Architecture Group Proxim Wireless Corporation
> http://www.proxim.com
> Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [email protected]
> Tel: +1 408 383 7626 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
> Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Bill Dube
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:30 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger | $865 Coco nEV by
> going Okie
>
> They plan a lead-acid "swap only" EV. No on-board charger. No home
> charging allowed. You swap the 1000 lb lead-acid battery for $6.
>
> Anyone that knows anything about lead-acid knows this scheme is
> doomed.
> The lead-acid batteries will sit for days (hot days) partially charged

> or even fully discharged between swaps. Sulfation will ruin these
> batteries in just a few cycles as they sit in the heat discharged.
>
> http://www.thetradingreport.com/2010/12/08/kandi-technologies-%E2%80%9
> 3- an-intelligent-vehicle-electrification-plan/
>
> It will work with any other battery technology but lead-acid. They
> have partnered with a lead-acid battery manufacturer, so lead-acid it
> will be.
>
> Bill D.
>
> At 09:59 PM 1/19/2011, you wrote:
>
>> Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger -> long-term loser
>>
>> http://wallstcheatsheet.com/breaking-news/who-played-a-hidden-role-in
>> -t
>> hese-chinese-reverse-mergers.html



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Re: [EVDL] Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger | $865 Coco nEV by goingOkie

C,

Oh. Or even Doh! Double-doomed then! MW

Cor van de Water wrote:

> Martin,
> This is not about fast-charging but about swapping.
> And this particular car comes without the option
> to charge at home, you will be *forced* to visit
> the swapping station to get a fresh charged pack.
> I don't think that will work, but we'll see.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cor van de Water
> Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
> Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
> Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [email protected]
> Tel: +1 408 383 7626 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
> Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Martin WINLOW
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:05 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger | $865 Coco nEV by
> goingOkie
>
> Cor,
>
> Surely one isn't going to *need* a re-charging station every few
> blocks
> as most EV-using city dwellers/visitors will be able to charge at home
> for 95% of their use. This is one of the EV's main advantages over
> the
> ICE-based auto scene. The need for fast re-charging stations away
> from
> the main population centres however is imperative.
>
> Agree 100% with Bill tho - Lead is dead (in the context of a future EV
> populated world).
>
> Regards, Martin Winlow
> Herts, UK
> http://www.evalbum.com/2092
> www.winlow.co.uk
>
>
> On 20 Jan 2011, at 15:58, Cor van de Water wrote:
>
>> Another issue is that it will not be easy to have swapping stations
>> as
>
>> dense as gas stations located every few city blocks, so you need to
>> drive more to get to and from the swapping station, besides your
>> normal daily driving. Who wants to drive more if the best
>> characteristic of any EV is that you can charge at home - except this
>> one?
>>
>> The $6 per swap means that the car is not cheaper in operation than
>> other efficient vehicles, because nobody will get the advertised
>> 150km
>
>> range, especially if the swapping station is another 10 km away from
>> you and you don't like to gamble on the last electrons to arrive
>> there, then you have no more than 100-120km of range, which is
>> typically not achieved under normal driving so assuming normal
>> driving
>
>> you might have about 80 km.
>> This is 50 miles for $6 and this means that many efficient ICE
>> vehicles will beat the operational cost of this EV.
>>
>> So, unless the vehicle is very attractively priced or can be leased
>> or
>
>> used as "Greenwheels" type of rent-as-you-go I doubt that this model
>> will work.
>> But as always, time will tell...
>>
>> Cor van de Water
>> Director HW & Systems Architecture Group Proxim Wireless Corporation
>> http://www.proxim.com
>> Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
>> Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: [email protected]
>> Tel: +1 408 383 7626 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
>> Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>> Behalf Of Bill Dube
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:30 PM
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger | $865 Coco nEV by
>> going Okie
>>
>> They plan a lead-acid "swap only" EV. No on-board charger. No home
>> charging allowed. You swap the 1000 lb lead-acid battery for $6.
>>
>> Anyone that knows anything about lead-acid knows this scheme is
>> doomed.
>> The lead-acid batteries will sit for days (hot days) partially
>> charged
>
>> or even fully discharged between swaps. Sulfation will ruin these
>> batteries in just a few cycles as they sit in the heat discharged.
>>
>> http://www.thetradingreport.com/2010/12/08/kandi-technologies-
>> %E2%80%9
>> 3- an-intelligent-vehicle-electrification-plan/
>>
>> It will work with any other battery technology but lead-acid. They
>> have partnered with a lead-acid battery manufacturer, so lead-acid it
>> will be.
>>
>> Bill D.
>>
>> At 09:59 PM 1/19/2011, you wrote:
>>
>>> Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger -> long-term loser
>>>
>>> http://wallstcheatsheet.com/breaking-news/who-played-a-hidden-role-
>>> in
>>> -t
>>> hese-chinese-reverse-mergers.html
>

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Re: [EVDL] Kandi: Chinese Reverse Merger | $865 Coco nEV by goingOkie

Martin WINLOW wrote:
> Oh. Or even Doh! Double-doomed then! MW

The only way I think this scheme can work is for fleet operations. You
could have a fleet of delivery EVs, where you swap the pack every day.
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