[email protected] wrote:
> > The video shows some sort of flame. There is nothing proving
> that the
> > salt water is burning. It would be a trivial matter to add clear
> > chemicals to make it burn.
> >
> > In any case, we can already break water into H2 and O2 with
> > electrolysis
> > with decent efficiency (depends on process used). There's no
> point to
> > using a lot of electricity to make a little flame on site, the
> > electricity could drive motors with many times the effectiveness.
> If
> > it
> > was more efficient than electrolysis and the H2 could be extracted
> > without burning for storage, it would have some uses. Seems
> unlikely,> making RF energy from electricity alone is not an
> extremely high
> > efficiency process.
> >
> > BTW, people have made fun plasmoids in your standard home microwave
> > simply by putting a match in there that was just blown out and still
> > smoldering- the microwave energy turns the smoke into a glowing,
> > animated plasma. Lots of neat net videos. There's other fantastic
> > tricks that can be done with cut grapes and such. Yet despite being
> > flashy, it doesn't constitute a power source.
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Peter VanDerWal <
[email protected]>
> > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:26 pm
> > Subject: [EVDL] NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's
> trying> to make money.
> > To: Lawrence Rhodes <
[email protected]>, Electric Vehicle
> > Discussion List <
[email protected]>
> >
> >> I seriously doubt they are getting more energy out than they are
> >> puttingin, but the burning "salt water" appears to be FACT not
> >> fiction.
> >> Rustum Roy is actually on the board at Penn State University,
> there>> is a
> >> link on the Penn state website to Dr Roy's website. That website
> >> has a
> >> link to a video showing the Hydrogen burning.
> >>
> >> I'm quite certain that they aren't getting any over unity reaction
> >> here,but they are using radio waves to separate hydrogen from salt
> >> water and
> >> then igniting the hydrogen.
> >>
> >> > Below is what sounds like the answer to our prayers. However it
> >> may be a
> >> > hoax or a lie designed to filtch investors. This kind of
> free or
> >> amazing> energy source comes up every once in a while on this list
> >> so the below
> >> > article is a textbook example of what I call feeding the
> pigeons.>> We all
> >> > are the pigeons. One tip off is time and money will be
> needed to
> >> prove> the
> >> > process. The other is the question of weather the radio
> >> frequency power
> >> > input is offset by the power output of the flame of (chuckle)
> >> burning salt
> >> > water. If you see something like this below turn on your bs
> >> detector. No
> >> > offense to Remy or the ET list. He is just passing along
> >> information from
> >> > many sources. He lets you make the decision as to the truth
> of the
> >> > articles. In the past EV list members have ferreted out lies.
> >> So keep
> >> > your
> >> > money in your pocket and make sure devices or other methods of
> >> fuel are
> >> > proven before investing. Lawrence Rhodes....
> >> >
> >> > Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
> >> > Posted by: "Remy Chevalier"
[email protected]
> >> > cleannewworld
> >> > Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:20 am ((PDT))
> >> >
> >> > Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
> >> > Sunday, September 09, 2007
> >> > By David Templeton, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
> >> >
> >> > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm
> >> >
> >> > For obvious reasons, scientists long have thought that salt
> water>> couldn't> be burned.
> >> >
> >> > So when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the
> >> > radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it a
> was a
> >> hoax.>
> >> > John Kanzius, a Washington County native, tried to desalinate
> >> seawater> with
> >> > a generator he developed to treat cancer, and it caused a flash
> >> in the
> >> > test
> >> > tube.
> >> >
> >> > Within days, he had the salt water in the test tube burning like
> >> a candle,
> >> > as long as it was exposed to radio frequencies.
> >> >
> >> > His discovery has spawned scientific interest in using the
> >> world's most
> >> > abundant substance as clean fuel, among other uses.
> >> >
> >> > Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, held a
> demonstration>> last> week
> >> > at the university's Materials Research Laboratory in State
> >> College, to
> >> > confirm what he'd witnessed weeks before in an Erie lab.
> >> >
> >> > "It's true, it works," Dr. Roy said. "Everyone told me, 'Rustum,
> >> don't be
> >> > fooled. He put electrodes in there.' "
> >> >
> >> > But there are no electrodes and no gimmicks, he said.
> >> >
> >> > Dr. Roy said the salt water isn't burning per se, despite
> >> appearances. The
> >> > radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the
> >> constituents> of
> >> > salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen -- and
> >> releases the
> >> > hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when
> exposed to
> >> the RF
> >> > energy field. Mr. Kanzius said an independent source measured
> the>> flame's> temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit,
> >> reflecting an
> >> > enormous
> >> > energy output.
> >> >
> >> > As such, Dr. Roy, a founding member of the Materials Research
> >> Laboratory> and
> >> > expert in water structure, said Mr. Kanzius' discovery
> represents>> "the> most
> >> > remarkable in water science in 100 years."
> >> >
> >> > But researching its potential will take time and money, he
> said. One
> >> > immediate question is energy efficiency: The energy the RF
> >> generator uses
> >> > vs. the energy output from burning hydrogen.
> >> >
> >> > Dr. Roy said he's scheduled to meet tomorrow with U.S.
> Department of
> >> > Energy
> >> > and Department of Defense officials in Washington to discuss the
> >> discovery> and seek research funding.
> >> >
> >> > Mr. Kanzius said he powered a Stirling, or hot air, engine
> with salt
> >> > water.
> >> > But whether the system can power a car or be used as an
> efficient>> fuel> will
> >> > depend on research results.
> >> >
> >> > "We will get our ideas together and check this out and see
> where it
> >> > leads,"
> >> > Dr. Roy said. "The potential is huge.
> >> >
> >> > "In the life sciences, the role of water is infinite, and this
> >> guy is
> >> > doing
> >> > something new in using the most important and most abundant
> >> material on
> >> > the
> >> > face of the earth."
> >> > Mr. Kanzius' discovery was an accident.
> >> >
> >> > He developed the RF generator as a novel cancer treatment. His
> >> research in
> >> > targeting cancer cells with metallic nanoparticles then
> >> destroying them
> >> > with
> >> > radio-frequency is proceeding at the University of Pittsburgh
> >> Medical> Center
> >> > and at the University of Texas' MD Anderson Cancer Center in
> >> Houston.>
> >> > Manuscripts updating the cancer research are in preparation for
> >> > publication
> >> > in coming months, Mr. Kanzius said.
> >> >
> >> > While Mr. Kanzius was demonstrating how his generator heated
> >> > nanoparticles,
> >> > someone noted condensation inside the test tube and suggested he
> >> try using
> >> > his equipment to desalinate water.
> >> >
> >> > So, Mr. Kanzius said, he put sea water in a test tube, then
> >> trained his
> >> > machine on it, producing an unexpected spark. In time he and
> >> laboratory> owners struck a match and ignited the water, which
> >> continued burning as
> >> > long
> >> > as it remained in the radio-frequency field.
> >> >
> >> > During several trials, heat from burning hydrogen grew hot
> enough>> to melt
> >> > the test tube, he said. Dr. Roy's tests on the machine last week
> >> provided> further evidence that the process is releasing and
> >> burning hydrogen from
> >> > the
> >> > water. Tests on different water solutions and concentrations
> >> produced> various temperatures and flame colors.
> >> >
> >> > "This is the most abundant element in the world. It is
> >> everywhere," Dr.
> >> > Roy
> >> > said of salt water. "Seeing it burn gives me chills."
> >> >
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