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Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for

At many an EV EVent. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can get on and emachine of the
two wheeled kind and go flying over curbs. It happens every year at the EV
Meet in Palo Alto. Two years I saw a Raging Granny grab air after hitting a
curb. It was miracle she landed and stopped the scooter which was a full
size Vespa style heavy scooter with a large pack. More than one person got
skinned up. This year some dealers were asking for ID and an M2 to get on.
However I still saw some youngsters getting on. This should probably end.
ID and at least a M2 to get on a demo vehicle. I bet Bill Dube is thinking
about a valet mode for killa cycle right now. However as far as I am
concerned a vehicle like Killacycle shouldn't be neutered. You wouldn't do
that to a good horse unless it was a last resort. With the proper skill
Killacycle will be managable. Lawrence Rhodes........

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Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for

Interesting parallel. To drive in Sports Car Club of America races (not
Solo II), a racing license and safety equipment is required. Even the model
airplane guys need some sort of permit and insurance to use a public field.
Does NEDRA or NHRA have a driver licensing program? Does it require
maintaining appropriate insurance to keep the license? I don't know who
would be checking licenses before an exhibition, but it's a thought. If
Killacycle isn't licensed and insured for street use, then the "ride" was
illegal already if it was on a public street. I really don't think having
anyone out of control in public, be it Bill or a Granny on a moped is good
for the EV cause.

Oh, and I wouldn't take a high strung race horse into a public venue either
without it's hooves hobbled. Too bad you can't turn a thoroghbread into a
recreational ride and back again with the flip of a switch, maybe it could
be a dual purpose beast.

Marty

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for


> At many an EV EVent. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can get on and emachine of
> the
> two wheeled kind and go flying over curbs. It happens every year at the
> EV
> Meet in Palo Alto. Two years I saw a Raging Granny grab air after hitting
> a
> curb. It was miracle she landed and stopped the scooter which was a full
> size Vespa style heavy scooter with a large pack. More than one person
> got
> skinned up. This year some dealers were asking for ID and an M2 to get
> on.
> However I still saw some youngsters getting on. This should probably end.
> ID and at least a M2 to get on a demo vehicle. I bet Bill Dube is thinking
> about a valet mode for killa cycle right now. However as far as I am
> concerned a vehicle like Killacycle shouldn't be neutered. You wouldn't
> do
> that to a good horse unless it was a last resort. With the proper skill
> Killacycle will be managable. Lawrence Rhodes........
>
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Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for

NHRA requires a special license (with stringent qualification
procedures) to drive a vehicle of this performance on the track. I
possess such a license. Scotty possesses such a license. NEDRA goes
by NHRA safety and license rules.

Bike will never be driven again off the track.

End of discussion please.

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Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for

You *can* turn an EV in a Sunday ride, it is especially
simple if you have a PalmPilot sitting on the handlebars (cough)
or if you have a "Valet" switch like White Zombie.
The Zilla allows two sets of configuration values to be
programmed and swapped with the flick of the switch, so
it is easy to "tame" an EV with a Zilla.
Other controllers may be a bit more involved to change,
but racing almost exclusively depends on Zilla controllers.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marty Hewes
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Lawrence Rhodes; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for

Interesting parallel. To drive in Sports Car Club of America races (not Solo II), a racing license and safety equipment is required. Even the model airplane guys need some sort of permit and insurance to use a public field.
Does NEDRA or NHRA have a driver licensing program? Does it require maintaining appropriate insurance to keep the license? I don't know who would be checking licenses before an exhibition, but it's a thought. If Killacycle isn't licensed and insured for street use, then the "ride" was illegal already if it was on a public street. I really don't think having anyone out of control in public, be it Bill or a Granny on a moped is good for the EV cause.

Oh, and I wouldn't take a high strung race horse into a public venue either without it's hooves hobbled. Too bad you can't turn a thoroghbread into a recreational ride and back again with the flip of a switch, maybe it could be a dual purpose beast.

Marty

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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for


> At many an EV EVent. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can get on and emachine of
> the
> two wheeled kind and go flying over curbs. It happens every year at the
> EV
> Meet in Palo Alto. Two years I saw a Raging Granny grab air after hitting
> a
> curb. It was miracle she landed and stopped the scooter which was a full
> size Vespa style heavy scooter with a large pack. More than one person
> got
> skinned up. This year some dealers were asking for ID and an M2 to get
> on.
> However I still saw some youngsters getting on. This should probably end.
> ID and at least a M2 to get on a demo vehicle. I bet Bill Dube is thinking
> about a valet mode for killa cycle right now. However as far as I am
> concerned a vehicle like Killacycle shouldn't be neutered. You wouldn't
> do
> that to a good horse unless it was a last resort. With the proper skill
> Killacycle will be managable. Lawrence Rhodes........
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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>


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Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for

Well there certainly has been a full barrage of "should have's" regarding
Bill's accident.

So, here is my suggestion of what Bill "should" have done differently...
Nothing.

It was an accident! It is a drag bike, not a street bike designed for the
masses. Besides, adding idiot proofing just makes bigger idiots.

The KillaCycle is a leading edge envelope pusher. It is rare to see a NASCAR
race that has no accidents (and NASCAR is not a new thing). That is because
they are all pushing the envelope. That doesn't mean you just throw caution
to the wind, but it does mean that every possible accident can't be absolutely
prevented - its leading edge, not mainstream. Bill did the important stuff.
He made sure the area was clear and secure. He was making an exhibition
demonstration so it was possible he could get hurt. There have been countless
injuries to exhibition performers including everything from magician's to skiing
to football and on and on. You just can't make everything stiflingly safe and
still do anything.

Just curious, did John Wayland get this many "should have's" after the White
Zombie's Plasma Incident?

Yes, accidents are unfortunate and can have a negative impact, but over done
hand wringing and paranoid responses can just as quickly kill a very good
thing. And while I'm at it, this Darwin award thing is just about as low as
anything I have seen.

Shame on this thread!

I'll probably regret this rant but right now I am just too steamed to care.

Just my two amps worth,

Ken

PS
Hey, Bill, you commented that you were too old - nonsense. Maybe not enough
experience doing KillaCycle burnouts but not too old. Burt Monroe was 68 when
he drove his 1920 Indian motorcycle over 200 MPH at the Bonneville Salt
Flats. You are not quite 68 yet are you?






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