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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Motors article in Wall Street Journal

The door sills are also high on the Lotus Elise and the Exige which
the Tesla is based on. So it's not really a "design problem." The
Elise platform is basically a small race car. You aren't supposed to
be wearing skirts or dresses in this car. The interior is
utilitarian. You basically sit on the floor because the seat is so
low and your legs are stretched out. It's a race car. And Lotus has
upped the ante and have come out with a version that is truly a race
car. No windshield or roof.

I've driven several Elise's and Exige's and have driven them up to
140 mph and when you drive the car those things aren't issues because
it's a blast to drive. I've taken clover leafs at 90 mph in the
Elise. An average car would flip at those speeds. The car feels great
going 90 or 100 mph and the sucker sticks to the road like glue.

So basically what I'm saying is the Elise is a small race car.
Completely utilitarian. If the Tesla is based on the Elise platform
then that is what is to be expected.

Lotus is a genius at designing space frames. If the door sills are
high it's for a reason. I wouldn't compromise the design so some
woman can get their skirts over the sill unless Lotus is in on the
changes.

It is what it is.

I'm really surprised Tesla considers this a problem. If they had test
driven an Elise first before basing the car on that platform they
would already know the door sills are high for a reason. I don't see
how you can redesign the door sills without compromising the
integrity of the space frame. Something doesn't add up in this article.

As far as flunking the 30 mph side impact test. The Elise design has
been in England for several years before it was introduced here a
couple years ago. Granted testing is different here but across the
pond I haven't heard of safety issues with the vehicle.

This article is bogus.

Chip



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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:50:57 +0200
> From: "Evan Tuer" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Motors article in Wall Street Journal
> 10-16-2007
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
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> This bit jumped out at me:
>
> [..]Among the problems Tesla has encountered: The car's body had to be
> redesigned because the door sills were so high that getting in and out
> of the vehicle required excessive acrobatics, especially for women in
> skirts.
> ..
> In August, the car flunked a 30 mile per hour side-impact crash test,
> necessitating more last-minute design changes.
> [..]
>
> I wonder if the second problem had anything to do with that
> re-design.. Because as Lee would say, 'the perfect is the enemy of
> the good', and they need to stop messing about and get some cars out
> there.

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Tesla is trying to make the car the perfect balance between sports car
performance, every day driving, and luxury. In Project Gotham Racing,
the Tesla is rated at max (or at least almost max) on grip. From what
I've heard in the Tesla reviews, it appears to be true. However, from
the reviews, it also seems that the Tesla maintains a much smoother
ride than a Lotus. I've sat in a Lotus at a car show, and I think it
is a good idea that they made the door sill lower. You don't want to
climb out of your car everytime if you use it as a daily commuter,
which Tesla intended it to be good for.

The real concern in how Tesla will pull off the ability to make a car
with great handling AND comfort with WhiteStar, without Lotus around
to help!

On 10/17/07, Chip Gribben <[email protected]> wrote:
> The door sills are also high on the Lotus Elise and the Exige which
> the Tesla is based on. So it's not really a "design problem." The
> Elise platform is basically a small race car. You aren't supposed to
> be wearing skirts or dresses in this car. The interior is
> utilitarian. You basically sit on the floor because the seat is so
> low and your legs are stretched out. It's a race car. And Lotus has
> upped the ante and have come out with a version that is truly a race
> car. No windshield or roof.
>
> I've driven several Elise's and Exige's and have driven them up to
> 140 mph and when you drive the car those things aren't issues because
> it's a blast to drive. I've taken clover leafs at 90 mph in the
> Elise. An average car would flip at those speeds. The car feels great
> going 90 or 100 mph and the sucker sticks to the road like glue.
>
> So basically what I'm saying is the Elise is a small race car.
> Completely utilitarian. If the Tesla is based on the Elise platform
> then that is what is to be expected.
>
> Lotus is a genius at designing space frames. If the door sills are
> high it's for a reason. I wouldn't compromise the design so some
> woman can get their skirts over the sill unless Lotus is in on the
> changes.
>
> It is what it is.
>
> I'm really surprised Tesla considers this a problem. If they had test
> driven an Elise first before basing the car on that platform they
> would already know the door sills are high for a reason. I don't see
> how you can redesign the door sills without compromising the
> integrity of the space frame. Something doesn't add up in this article.
>
> As far as flunking the 30 mph side impact test. The Elise design has
> been in England for several years before it was introduced here a
> couple years ago. Granted testing is different here but across the
> pond I haven't heard of safety issues with the vehicle.
>
> This article is bogus.
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
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> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:50:57 +0200
> > From: "Evan Tuer" <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Motors article in Wall Street Journal
> > 10-16-2007
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> > Message-ID:
> > <[email protected]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > This bit jumped out at me:
> >
> > [..]Among the problems Tesla has encountered: The car's body had to be
> > redesigned because the door sills were so high that getting in and out
> > of the vehicle required excessive acrobatics, especially for women in
> > skirts.
> > ..
> > In August, the car flunked a 30 mile per hour side-impact crash test,
> > necessitating more last-minute design changes.
> > [..]
> >
> > I wonder if the second problem had anything to do with that
> > re-design.. Because as Lee would say, 'the perfect is the enemy of
> > the good', and they need to stop messing about and get some cars out
> > there.
>
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> So basically what I'm saying is the Elise is a small race car.
> Completely utilitarian. If the Tesla is based on the Elise platform
> then that is what is to be expected.
>
> Lotus is a genius at designing space frames. If the door sills are
> high it's for a reason. I wouldn't compromise the design so some
> woman can get their skirts over the sill unless Lotus is in on the
> changes.

Gee Chip, calm down ;-) it's not your pet Elise they're taking down from
"race car" status. Near as I can tell Tesla has never claimed that kind
of goal for the roadster; they seem to want something much more
practical and comfortable than an Elise. Something that "some woman" can
wear "their skirts" in, for instance.

Hunter

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what was the occasion?

Jorg Brown wrote:
> Yeah, I got a chance to test drive a Tesla a month ago and the
> road-holding is amazing.
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