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Re: [EVDL] Toyota breaks China dependency w/ efficient cheaper lighter electromagnet

It is for the masses that believe that there is no limit to the supply of
oil. To them the finite supply of oil is a myth.

Sincerely,
Mark Grasser


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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Zeke Yewdall
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:51 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Toyota breaks China dependency w/ efficient cheaper
lighter electromagnet induction motors

Hmmmm. Induction motors eh... those haven't been around for 100 years... I
actually have one in my EV already....

And, why would I be worried about limited supplies of rare earth metals
being a problem for electric cars if I don't worry about the limited
supplies of oil being a problem for ICE cars. It seems somewhat like a
scare tactic against electric cars, and not a very well thought out one for
anyone with a brain.

Z

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM, bruce parmenter
<[email protected]>wrote:

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/246694-toyota-tries-to-lessen-dependence-on-
china
> Toyota Tries to Lessen Dependence on China
> By David Silver Jan 14 2011 ... for its rare earth metals ... about
> a kilogram ... of a rare earth metal neodymium is used in every Toyota
> Prius. Almost all of the neodymium produced and refined today comes
> out of China. The auto industry uses approximately 40% of all the
> neodymium produced, and prices have skyrocketed ...
>
> Toyota is attempting to develop an induction motor ... that uses
> electromagnets ... General Motors (GM) ... is already trying to
> develop an induction motor, while Continental AG ... one of the
> largest auto parts suppliers in the world said it already has an
> induction motor that will be used in an electric vehicle next year in
> Europe.
>
> Prices for rare earth metals have been extremely volatile, but if the
> world's automakers can find an alternative to using neodymium without
> sacrificing any power or performance, it will take a great deal of the
> demand out of the rare earth metal. Prices would then fall. I assume
> that other industries that use rare earth metals (cell phones,
> computers, etc.) are also looking for alternatives to lessen their
> dependence on Chinese rare earth metals. []
> ...
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iGzldEol8fbcMd4pgi6Nn
vE0U8dQ?docId=N0192491295251183618A
> ... (UKPA) - Jan 17 2011 Toyota is developing a new type of electric
> motor to cut its dependence on rare earth metals and lower costs, a
> company spokesman said ... The new technology will help free the
> world's leading carmaker from relying on China, which produces 97% of
> the global output of rare earth metals needed for many high-tech
> products ... it made sense for companies that make high-tech
> products to be developing alternatives, given trade uncertainties with
> China. Japan has also actively pursued deals around Asia to develop
> alternative sources ...
> [C 2011 The Press Association. All rights reserved.]
> ...
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http://www.hybridcars.com/news/toyota-developing-electric-motors-dont-need-r
are-earth-metals-29238.html
> Toyota Is Developing Electric Motors That Don't Need Rare Earth Metals
> Jan 17 2011 ... induction motors-not requiring rare earth metals-
> can offer higher efficiency and durability than permanent-magnet
> motors, according to Michael Duoba, a research engineer with Argonne
> National Laboratory in Argonne.
>
> In addition, Takeshi Uchiyamada, Toyota's executive vice president for
> research and product development, told Bloomberg that Toyota is
> developing efficient, cheaper, lighter motors, along with advanced
> batteries and power electronics, as electric propulsion becomes
> increasingly important to the company and the auto industry. In 2012,
> Toyota will sell the RAV4 EV compact sport-utility electric vehicle
> with an induction motor supplied by Tesla Motors. That battery, and
> the one used in the Tesla Roadster and future Model S sedan, use a
> similar motor without rare-earth materials.
>
> ... China currently accounts for about 97 percent of the world's
> production of rare earth minerals, which are used in wind turbines and
> smart phones, as well as hybrid and electric cars.
> [C2011 HybridCars.com]
> ...
>
>
http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2011/01/17/toyota-res
earching-new-electric-motors
> Toyota Searches for a Way Out of the Rare Earth by Kent Bernhard, Jr.
> Jan 17 2011 Toyota doesn't want to be dependent on China for raw
> materials in its next generation of cars ...
> [C 2011 American City Business Journals. All rights reserved.]
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Moto-Mundo-2-Qa
shqai-EV-conversions-go-around-the-world-ts-130kmph-range-200km-80kmph-td322
4286.html
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> {brucedp.150m.com}
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