Re: [EVDL] Toyota breaks China dependency w/ efficient cheaper lighter electromagnet

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> It is for the masses that believe that there is no limit to the supply of
> oil. To them the finite supply of oil is a myth.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mark Grasser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> Of Zeke Yewdall
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:51 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Toyota breaks China dependency w/ efficient cheaper
> lighter electromagnet induction motors
>
> Hmmmm. Induction motors eh... those haven't been around for 100 years...
> I
> actually have one in my EV already....
>
> And, why would I be worried about limited supplies of rare earth metals
> being a problem for electric cars if I don't worry about the limited
> supplies of oil being a problem for ICE cars. It seems somewhat like a
> scare tactic against electric cars, and not a very well thought out one
for
> anyone with a brain.
>
> Z
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM, bruce parmenter
> <[email protected]>wrote:
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/246694-toyota-tries-to-lessen-dependence-on-
> china
> > Toyota Tries to Lessen Dependence on China
> > By David Silver Jan 14 2011 ... for its rare earth metals ... about
> > a kilogram ... of a rare earth metal neodymium is used in every Toyota
> > Prius. Almost all of the neodymium produced and refined today comes
> > out of China. The auto industry uses approximately 40% of all the
> > neodymium produced, and prices have skyrocketed ...
> >
> > Toyota is attempting to develop an induction motor ... that uses
> > electromagnets ... General Motors (GM) ... is already trying to
> > develop an induction motor, while Continental AG ... one of the
> > largest auto parts suppliers in the world said it already has an
> > induction motor that will be used in an electric vehicle next year in
> > Europe.
> >
> > Prices for rare earth metals have been extremely volatile, but if the
> > world's automakers can find an alternative to using neodymium without
> > sacrificing any power or performance, it will take a great deal of the
> > demand out of the rare earth metal. Prices would then fall. I assume
> > that other industries that use rare earth metals (cell phones,
> > computers, etc.) are also looking for alternatives to lessen their
> > dependence on Chinese rare earth metals. []
> > ...
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iGzldEol8fbcMd4pgi6Nn
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vE0U8dQ?docId=N0192491295251183618A<http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress
/article/ALeqM5iGzldEol8fbcMd4pgi6Nn%0AvE0U8dQ?docId=N0192491295251183618A>
> > ... (UKPA) - Jan 17 2011 Toyota is developing a new type of electric
> > motor to cut its dependence on rare earth metals and lower costs, a
> > company spokesman said ... The new technology will help free the
> > world's leading carmaker from relying on China, which produces 97% of
> > the global output of rare earth metals needed for many high-tech
> > products ... it made sense for companies that make high-tech
> > products to be developing alternatives, given trade uncertainties with
> > China. Japan has also actively pursued deals around Asia to develop
> > alternative sources ...
> > [C 2011 The Press Association. All rights reserved.]
> > ...
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http://www.hybridcars.com/news/toyota-developing-electric-motors-dont-need-r
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are-earth-metals-29238.html<http://www.hybridcars.com/news/toyota-developing
-electric-motors-dont-need-r%0Aare-earth-metals-29238.html>
> > Toyota Is Developing Electric Motors That Don't Need Rare Earth Metals
> > Jan 17 2011 ... induction motors-not requiring rare earth metals-
> > can offer higher efficiency and durability than permanent-magnet
> > motors, according to Michael Duoba, a research engineer with Argonne
> > National Laboratory in Argonne.
> >
> > In addition, Takeshi Uchiyamada, Toyota's executive vice president for
> > research and product development, told Bloomberg that Toyota is
> > developing efficient, cheaper, lighter motors, along with advanced
> > batteries and power electronics, as electric propulsion becomes
> > increasingly important to the company and the auto industry. In 2012,
> > Toyota will sell the RAV4 EV compact sport-utility electric vehicle
> > with an induction motor supplied by Tesla Motors. That battery, and
> > the one used in the Tesla Roadster and future Model S sedan, use a
> > similar motor without rare-earth materials.
> >
> > ... China currently accounts for about 97 percent of the world's
> > production of rare earth minerals, which are used in wind turbines and
> > smart phones, as well as hybrid and electric cars.
> > [C2011 HybridCars.com]
> > ...
> >
> >
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http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2011/01/17/toyota-res
>
earching-new-electric-motors<http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-o
bserver/2011/01/17/toyota-res%0Aearching-new-electric-motors>
> > Toyota Searches for a Way Out of the Rare Earth by Kent Bernhard, Jr.
> > Jan 17 2011 Toyota doesn't want to be dependent on China for raw
> > materials in its next generation of cars ...
> > [C 2011 American City Business Journals. All rights reserved.]
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Moto-Mundo-2-Qa
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shqai-EV-conversions-go-around-the-world-ts-130kmph-range-200km-80kmph-td322
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4286.html<http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Moto-
Mundo-2-Qa%0Ashqai-EV-conversions-go-around-the-world-ts-130kmph-range-200km
-80kmph-td322%0A4286.html>
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