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Re: [EVDL] TS chemistry Was A123 chem, and alota Other Stuff

On 10 Aug 2007 at 10:37, Bob Rice wrote:

> Just got off the fone with my local distibuter ... US 2200's for 85,
> WITH the 15 core charge or 100 bux without dead battery.

Does USBMC still sell directly to EV hobbyists? Maybe Nawaz will weigh in
here (no pun intended).


> Guyz this is highway robbery!

I don't think so. The battery business has always been very competitive in
the golf car sector, so I think this is a matter of raw materials cost.
However, the rumor is that the demand is largely from China. Consider what
kinds of products and commodities lead goes into, and make of that what you
will.


> I know a battery guy here that USED to make his own, assemble then
> in CT. The Eco Nazis shut him down YEARS ago, TOOK his
> machinery even!

Let's not get into an attack on laws that protect workers and the
environment from lead poisoning.

There is a darn good reason for the laws. Lead is a hazardous contaminant.
Being a small operation does not absolve anyone of the responsibility to
treat it properly - or to ensure that their workers and the residents around
them aren't poisoned.

We don't have a right to buy cheap batteries that trumps anyone else's right
to live and be healthy. This kind of attitude would give the anti-EV folks
way too much ammunition against us.

As for the language above, "Econazis" is AM radio flames. Whether it comes
from the left or right, sloganizing and name calling tends to short circuit
thinking and reasoning. Name calling is not acceptable on the EVDL.


> WE in USA don't mine lead any more ...

You are misinformed. According to this page

http://www.ldaint.org/information.htm

The US is the world's third largest miner of lead, after China and
Australia. In 2003, the US mined 464,000 tons of lead. After reclaimed
lead is considered, we are the second largest producer, right after China,
with 1,338,000 tons.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EV List Administrator

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Re: [EVDL] TS chemistry Was A123 chem, and alota Other Stuff

Just got 20 T-105's for $93 each delivered.

Joseph H. Strubhar

Web: www.gremcoinc.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rice" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS chemistry Was A123 chem, and alota Other Stuff


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[email protected]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] TS chemistry Was A123 chem
>
>
>> That's right. Why bother to report some tests results on EVDL
>> or indicate how cheap they are then? How given cells actually
>> perform and cost makes NO difference if no one is going to buy
>> them. And, given circumstances, no one really should.
>> If you do, you encourage company keep doing what they are doing,
>> giving them the message there is nothing wrong here, business as
>> usual. If money keep flowing in, why bother to change anything.
>>
>> Victor
> Hi Victor an" EVerybody;
>
> China is gunna have to clean up their act! They are gettuing away with
> selling so much unsafe crap(food) here that even the dumb Anerican Sheeple
> will wake up and quit buying their shit. IF this happens they will clean
> up
> their act? If loosing their biggest customers doesn't change thing? EVer
> try
> buying something at Targets oe Wal*Marts that ISN'T made in China? Good
> ruck! That goes for Harbor Fright, too! I have gotten decent Chinese stuff
> there. Buyt the Toyo Tires ya think would be made in Japan? Nope! China!
> At
> least my Nokians were made in Finland, sed so, right on them! So THERE a
> Nobody tells a Major Power to Clean up their Act<g>!Only on Line in the
> USA!
>
> Good on ya, Jukka! IF you can get Thunder Sky to clean up their act. I
> think you have that in mind?We NEED a power source that will be
> competitive
> with Led Acid. Gees! Have ya priced a battery pak TODAY? Gpt a quote for
> Rolls T -90 equilivent, thicker plates MAY last [email protected] EACH in
> quantity.
> I need about 40 for Dave's truck and my Sentra.A Pallot would be nice
> about
> 40? ANYBODY anywhere doing less than a hundred bux for T105 Equilivents?
> Fess up!
>
> Just got off the fone with my local distibuter(Trojan, Mass) Are ya
> sitting down? T-105's- 155.19, T- 125's -181.46, and (Forgetaboutit!)
> T-145's 236.90!!!!!!!!!!!!! He has No Name equilivents at T-105- 121.94 A
> T-125 at 142.27. Same One Year Gaurantee.But I just got off the horn with
> my
> local Interstate dealer. He has US 2200's for 85, WITH the 15 core charge
> or
> 100 bux Without a dead badd-ery. Sheesh! I wish I hadn't taken a load down
> to the Junk Yard in New Haven and got 5 bux or LESS I don't remember, but
> they gave my 3-4 bux , ANY battery, VW to Golf Cart! One thing ALL the
> battery folks tell me" Buy NOW!" we will be getting a price increase, end
> of
> the month"FEH! They wern't kidding! So my local guy, no shipping charge?
> Is
> best price NO brake on, say a pallot load.
>
> Guyz this is highway robbery! Whatthehell, with the number of battery
> builders countable on the fingers of one hand, they can do what they like,
> price wise, I;, mnot even mentioning the Opyimas and sealed units of that
> type. Just crappy, entry level, training wheels, type dumb Golf Carts!
> Sigh!To get the "Good Stuff" as NAPA is talking about on the Radio, ya
> gotta
> dig deep!Another Chinese conspirisy here. To make lead a precious metal,
> as
> they know WE in USA don't mine lead any more the Eco Nazis shut down the
> mines, years ago. WHY the junked battery flow won't even keep close to the
> EV demand? In these daze of 3 bux a gal gas, I can assume it works the
> same
> way with batteries. EV's use a LOT of batteries! I know a battery guy here
> that USED to make his own, assemble then in CT. The Eco Nazis shut him
> down
> YEARS ago, TOOK his machinery even! I was sniffing around, for a local
> builder of batteries. Hah! Good luck! We don't MAKE stuff here anymore.
>
> I sure hope Jukka can get Thunder Sky to clean up their act?It will be
> anarchy here, battery wise, the Chinese will own the market. Just hope
> they
> will make decent ones. It took Toyota and Honda, VW and others to get
> Detroit to clean up their automotive act!. Chinese cars are on the way.
> Hope
> some will be decent, we don't NEED any more NEV's. A China Job you can
> drive
> on the freeway, dignity intact, like an EV -1 or Rav-4? By then I may have
> my Sunrise already, or Freedom?I'll just get a bigger garage<g>!With the
> wierd and wonderful, whimsicle Chinese passion for Names of stuff,
> (Thunder
> Sky) a CAR should be interesting. "Joyfull Messenger" was one that comes
> to
> mind. Howbout Blue Sky batteries?
>
> Well, not the Joyfull Messenger with badd-ery priceds today.
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
>
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