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Re: [EVDL] Viable Pricing

Never mind, the offer has been recanted. They must have found a better deal elsewhere.








Arak Leatham - Technology Advocate - Detalidon.Com




> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:37:16 -0700
> Subject: [EVDL] Viable Pricing
>
>
> Looking at the last few days of messages, I've have to followup with a similar question.
>
> What is considered a good OEM price these days for a Li - EV battery?
>
>
>
>
>
> Name$B!'(B
> EV Battery01
>
> Nominal Voltage$B!'(B
> 60 v
>
> Nominal Capacity$B!'(B
> 10400 mAh
>
> Weight$B!'(B
> 4000 g
>
> Size$B!'(B
> 320*200*75 mm
>
> Cells$B!'(B
> 3.85
> I got a hint from what may be a new OEM for EV batteries, one I've been bugging for a while now. The hint was based on a new battery as;
>
> Nominal Voltage 60 v
> Nominal Capacity 10400 mAh
> Weight 4000 g
> Size$B!'(B 320*200*75 mm
> Cells 3.85v
> (calculates to 624Wh, 150wh/kg, 75wh/lb)
>
> And the price I could get as a researcher was under $400 (un-commited yet, that's the hint I guess).
> So that puts a 10kwh pack at about $5k, weight at about 68kg, 137lbs, did I calc that about right? Volume? oh, 17 of those units.
>
> So is that worth my 'getting in the mud' with these guys, or should I wait for newer products in the works? Can I get a better R&D price elsewhere?
>
> The AltairNano look like a -dash for the cash- B2B deal so I'm not impressed there.
>
> Trying to get a more firm price. These come in extruded aluminum hard cases, with cell montioring circuits and such. Don't think an actual BMS is included, unless the monitoring circuit does some leveling functioning.
>
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> Arak Leatham - Technology Advocate - Detalidon.Com
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> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:48:34 -0500
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery - Altairnano, not cheap!
> >
> >
Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
> > > That's insane pricing......
> > >
> > > For a 144v pack you would need 6 of those 24v modules and at $5000/each you
> > > are looking at a $30,000 50ah pack. Not practical in any way shape or form.
> > > I bet their only client is the government so you and me all will be paying
> > > these insane prices.
> >
> > Second and subsequent 24v modules are $3K. Six for $20K. Still,
> > seemingly, an unattractive deal. A ~20KWH pack would cost ~$56K.
> >
> > > existing applications. The cost of a standard kit which includes the
> > > Connection
> > > and Control Unit, Wiring, Battery Management System, and one 24V 50ah module
> > > is
> > > $5,000 USD. Additional modules for series operation can be purchase at
> > > $3,000
> > > per module.
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Viable Pricing

The last pricing I heard (already many moons ago)
was $1.15 per Ah for large format LiFePo4
so that gives almost 14kWh pack for $5k.


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Never mind, the offer has been recanted. They must have found a better deal elsewhere.








Arak Leatham - Technology Advocate - Detalidon.Com




> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:37:16 -0700
> Subject: [EVDL] Viable Pricing
>
>
> Looking at the last few days of messages, I've have to followup with a similar question.
>
> What is considered a good OEM price these days for a Li - EV battery?
>
>
>
>
>
> Name$B!'(B
> EV Battery01
>
> Nominal Voltage$B!'(B
> 60 v
>
> Nominal Capacity$B!'(B
> 10400 mAh
>
> Weight$B!'(B
> 4000 g
>
> Size$B!'(B
> 320*200*75 mm
>
> Cells$B!'(B
> 3.85
> I got a hint from what may be a new OEM for EV batteries, one I've
> been bugging for a while now. The hint was based on a new battery as;
>
> Nominal Voltage 60 v
> Nominal Capacity 10400 mAh
> Weight 4000 g
> Size$B!'(B 320*200*75 mm
> Cells 3.85v
> (calculates to 624Wh, 150wh/kg, 75wh/lb)
>
> And the price I could get as a researcher was under $400 (un-commited yet, that's the hint I guess).
> So that puts a 10kwh pack at about $5k, weight at about 68kg, 137lbs, did I calc that about right? Volume? oh, 17 of those units.
>
> So is that worth my 'getting in the mud' with these guys, or should I wait for newer products in the works? Can I get a better R&D price elsewhere?
>
> The AltairNano look like a -dash for the cash- B2B deal so I'm not impressed there.
>
> Trying to get a more firm price. These come in extruded aluminum hard cases, with cell montioring circuits and such. Don't think an actual BMS is included, unless the monitoring circuit does some leveling functioning.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Arak Leatham - Technology Advocate - Detalidon.Com
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:48:34 -0500
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery - Altairnano, not cheap!
> >
> >
Douglas A. Stansfield wrote:
> > > That's insane pricing......
> > >
> > > For a 144v pack you would need 6 of those 24v modules and at
> > > $5000/each you are looking at a $30,000 50ah pack. Not practical in any way shape or form.
> > > I bet their only client is the government so you and me all will
> > > be paying these insane prices.
> >
> > Second and subsequent 24v modules are $3K. Six for $20K. Still,
> > seemingly, an unattractive deal. A (J~(B20KWH pack would cost (J~(B$56K.
> >
> > > existing applications. The cost of a standard kit which includes
> > > the Connection and Control Unit, Wiring, Battery Management
> > > System, and one 24V 50ah module is $5,000 USD. Additional modules
> > > for series operation can be purchase at $3,000 per module.
> >
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