Roland Wiench wrote:
> > Hello Nikki,
> >
> > In Montana, it only got down to -36 C for about 2 hours and than it
> > normally
> > steady outs at -18 C for about a month and 0 C for the rest of the
> > winter.
> >
> > At one time I use one of those round heat tapes, that you can get in any
> > length on a spool. My batteries were in aluminum boxes which were space
> > about 1.5 CM from the inside edge of the box. The heat tape wrap around
> > the
> > batteries in this space starting at the bottom of the battery space
> > about
> > every 6 CM.
> >
> > One end tap off a 20 amp circuit breaker in the EV that then tap of the
> > charging input cable circuit. A adjustable thermostat is install that
> > is
> > design for this cable with a sensor bulb that is place in the battery
> > box.
> >
> > The outside of the battery box was insulated with soft 3/4 foam that had
> > a
> > sew on vinyl cover that can be snap together for removable and cleaning.
> >
> > I could not let this EV set out side more then 8 hours when the
> > temperature
> > got to -36 C even with this heat, because the battery temperature could
> > drop
> > to close to 0 C.
> >
> > I change the aluminum battery boxes with 1 CM thick fiberglass, and
> > allow
> > enough space around the outside of the box to install a layer of 6 CM (2
> > ins.) foam board that is glue directly on the box with a 12 CM air space
> > and
> > another layer of 6 CM foam board. The outside of the foam board was
> > then
> > cover with a nylon marine carpet.
> >
> > A 1.5 layer of foam with the carpet is lay on top of a 1 CM think hinge
> > cover. This battery installation sets inside a insulated pickup bed with
> > a
> > insulated hatch back that has a solar passive glass that allows sun
> > light to
> > come in.
> >
> > I park in a super insulated garage that is always heated to 22 C which
> > maintains the EV and batteries temperature at about 22 C. If I had to
> > let
> > the EV set outside, I would use the round heat tape inside this battery
> > box.
> >
> > When it got down to -36 C. last winter early in the morning, it was a
> > clear
> > day. About 15 minutes, before I left with the EV, it preheated the
> > passenger cab to 27 C. and the battery temp was setting at 22 C. I
> > drove
> > about 8 km at 16 km/h and park the EV with the glass hatch back toward
> > the
> > sun. After about 2 hours of setting, the temperature below the hatch
> > back
> > glass and around the battery box, was about 27 C.
> >
> > So, there is many ways to keep up you battery temperature. The best way
> > is
> > to insulated a enclose battery box with a heat tap or even one of those
> > battery heat blankets you can wrap around the batteries.
> >
> > Make sure you do not wrap this type of round heat tape tight around
> > sharp 90
> > degree corners of the battery box, this will cause hot spots in these
> > areas.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nikki Bloomfield" <
[email protected]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <
[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Winter & EVs
> >
> >
> > > I'm really interested in this thread.
> > >
> > > The City El of course suffers just like any other car in the winter
> > > but this year I have some Thundersky lithium Ions in her. When I
> > > installed the pack I used some thermal 'space blanket' style
> > > insulation on each of the three packs ( see http://flickr.com/photos/
> > > aminorjourney/sets/72157600628045492/ for pictures of the upgrade )
> > > but I didn't install heating pads for the cells. BIG MISTAKE!
> > >
> > > Since the average temperature has dropped from the high 20 degrees C
> > > down to 15 degrees C my batteries have taken a big hit in performance
> > > and the internal resistance has rocketed. The first few miles I tend
> > > to try and get the batteries as hot as possible so that the car
> > > doesn't get too rough a performance. Of course also recharging from
> > > cold isn't that possible as the batteries won't accept charge so well.
> > >
> > > So, I'm going to try and install some heating pads this week from RS
> > > components. It'll mean removing all of the cells fom the car and re-
> > > packaging them but at least then I'll have heating for the
> > > batteries. The sort of pads I'm getting are here: http://tinyurl.com/
> > > 3xu3qw . 30 W of heating per four cells should be enough to keep the
> > > cells from getting too cold.
> > >
> > > I'm also wanting to introduce some form of mains heating for the car
> > > as we're about to move house and the garage isn't big enough really
> > > to store the City El (it's not long enough as it's just a
> > > mini-garage).
> > >
> > > With those with heating what sort of performance drop do you get in
> > > the winter even with heating?
> > >
> > > Nikki.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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