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Re: Let My People Convert! - The A123 Challenge

Dan, I was not speaking in here. It's called typing or writing. That's
how the small little letters do appear in your 386 SX + CRT ... OK..

I have bought over 1 000 000 AH from TS up to this date. So.. yes I have
bought some.

-Jukka


Dan Frederiksen kirjoitti:
> Jukka Järvinen wrote:
>> Guys, Guys.. A123 sells Cobal Phosphate cells to DeWalt. They have not
>> yet brought out the Iron Phosphate cells. At least so I have heard
>> from the little birds :) . . . .
> that's interesting. their website doesn't actually say cobalt or iron.
> but it does say the specs. it could be crystal meth chemistry for all I
> care if it works. and apparently it does.
>
>> Selling plain cells to "grass root activists" is insane.
> you really are a schmuck. haven't you yourself bought lithium batteries
> for a homebuilt EV? such elitist crap
>
>> Reason A123 still has good fame is that they are not giving the cells
>> out to wrong persons.
> aren't they selling to everyone? just at higher prices. when you learn
> to speak english properly we can talk about who's the wrong people.
>
> Dan
 

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Re: Let My People Convert! - The A123 Challenge

Rich Rudman kirjoitti:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jukka Järvinen" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Let My People Convert! - The A123 Challenge
>
>
>> Guys, Guys.. A123 sells Cobal Phosphate cells to DeWalt. They have not
>> yet brought out the Iron Phosphate cells. At least so I have heard from
>> the little birds :) . . . .
>>
>> Are the cells on the KillaCycle (Bill?) also Cobalt Phosphate cells ?
>> (You can't see it from the cell voltage. Need to analyze the insides or
>> ask from the factory) I think we had a talk about this earlier. I was
>> wondering the specific energy amount then...
>>
>> Are you REALLY suggesting that A123 should do the same screw ups as some
>> Chinese companies have ? Selling plain cells to "grass root activists"
>> is insane.
>>
>> It is possible to get even the most safest cells on the earth on fire.
>> You just need to giive them to stupid enough person and that's it.
>>
>> I hope A123 can produce vehicle packs to all hobbyists since there is a
>> real demand.
>>
>> Reason A123 still has good fame is that they are not giving the cells
>> out to wrong persons.
>>
>> But I hope there will be soon some open source BMS out there that you
>> can do easily with discrete components..... And buy any cells from
>> anywhere.....
>>
>> -Jukka
>
> That open source generic BMS is exactly what the Lion Tamer and the Mk3by4
> products are going to be.

Is there any data out there already ? Briefly checked your site... could
not find (maybe I was too hasty).

>
> In fact I have them on both A123 cells and Thunder Sky LFP40aha cells at
> this very moment.

Nice. Can you send me some data.. even offlist ?

>
> So yea their will be support, and lots of it.
>
> Jukka, I thought the A123 were all Lith Fe Phosphate Graphite , no cobalt at
> all.. and never was.

So did I until I was told this "truth". Thou the source is very reliable.

>
> The Thunder Skys LFP are also the .. safe cell designs.

Yeah.. If not misused .. eh...

>
> I have heard the spec E on A123 266550s are 3680 Watts/ Kg, and in the
> Killacycle they are actually getting just a tad over 4Kw/Kg.

...but ho much Wh/kg ?

-Jukka


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> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
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Re: Let My People Convert! - The A123 Challenge

Jukka,

Hopefully you've learned to ignore all of Dan's posts now? It's quite
clear (at least to me) that Dan has no intention of ever doing anything
except insult people.
He suckers you in with a seemingly honest question just so he can insult
you when you reply.

> Dan, I was not speaking in here. It's called typing or writing. That's
> how the small little letters do appear in your 386 SX + CRT ... OK..
>
> I have bought over 1 000 000 AH from TS up to this date. So.. yes I have
> bought some.
>
> -Jukka
>
>
> Dan Frederiksen kirjoitti:
>> Jukka Järvinen wrote:
>>> Guys, Guys.. A123 sells Cobal Phosphate cells to DeWalt. They have not
>>> yet brought out the Iron Phosphate cells. At least so I have heard
>>> from the little birds :) . . . .
>> that's interesting. their website doesn't actually say cobalt or iron.
>> but it does say the specs. it could be crystal meth chemistry for all I
>> care if it works. and apparently it does.
>>
>>> Selling plain cells to "grass root activists" is insane.
>> you really are a schmuck. haven't you yourself bought lithium batteries
>> for a homebuilt EV? such elitist crap
>>
>>> Reason A123 still has good fame is that they are not giving the cells
>>> out to wrong persons.
>> aren't they selling to everyone? just at higher prices. when you learn
>> to speak english properly we can talk about who's the wrong people.
>>
>> Dan
>
>


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RE: Let My People Convert! - The A123 Challenge

So, Rich, you're going to take some mysterious open-source design,
package it and sell it? What's going on here? Wanna share, or is this
open-source BMS your intellectual property? It's OK if it is, it just
kind of doesn't make sense to call it open-source if it's proprietary.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Let My People Convert! - The A123 Challenge
From: "Rich Rudman" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, July 26, 2007 4:31 pm
To: <[email protected]>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jukka Järvinen" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Let My People Convert! - The A123 Challenge


> Guys, Guys.. A123 sells Cobal Phosphate cells to DeWalt. They have not
> yet brought out the Iron Phosphate cells. At least so I have heard from
> the little birds :) . . . .
>
> Are the cells on the KillaCycle (Bill?) also Cobalt Phosphate cells ?
> (You can't see it from the cell voltage. Need to analyze the insides or
> ask from the factory) I think we had a talk about this earlier. I was
> wondering the specific energy amount then...
>
> Are you REALLY suggesting that A123 should do the same screw ups as some
> Chinese companies have ? Selling plain cells to "grass root activists"
> is insane.
>
> It is possible to get even the most safest cells on the earth on fire.
> You just need to giive them to stupid enough person and that's it.
>
> I hope A123 can produce vehicle packs to all hobbyists since there is a
> real demand.
>
> Reason A123 still has good fame is that they are not giving the cells
> out to wrong persons.
>
> But I hope there will be soon some open source BMS out there that you
> can do easily with discrete components..... And buy any cells from
> anywhere.....
>
> -Jukka

That open source generic BMS is exactly what the Lion Tamer and the
Mk3by4
products are going to be.

In fact I have them on both A123 cells and Thunder Sky LFP40aha cells at
this very moment.

So yea their will be support, and lots of it.

Jukka, I thought the A123 were all Lith Fe Phosphate Graphite , no
cobalt at
all.. and never was.

The Thunder Skys LFP are also the .. safe cell designs.

I have heard the spec E on A123 266550s are 3680 Watts/ Kg, and in the
Killacycle they are actually getting just a tad over 4Kw/Kg.

Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
 
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