Riley Elf / Classic Mini EV Conversion

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Trevadactyl

Discussion Starter · Mar 30, 2021

Hi Everyone,

I planning an EV conversion for a Riley Elf but as far as I can tell this setup would work on any classic mini.

I am very early in the planning stage and I don't currently even have a car yet.

The forum has been a good start for learning what goes into an EV conversion but I am by no means an expert in fact I'm clearly a novice.

I have been trying to space out and plan the build using AutoCAD by using scaled 2D drawings I have found for the Elf, subframes, motor and shell. This clearly has its limitations and ideally I would like to get my hands on a scanned mini shell.

I am planning on using the SWIND HPD E 80 motor as this is such a small unit that mounts nice and low in the engine bay. I plan on either using a modified front subframe with mounting points for a battery box above the motor or by using a subframe similar to the design of the B-TEC tubular frame conversion.

This should allow for enough space for a battery box that will hold 8x CALB modules. This may require the inner wings to either be cut back or removed to allow for the width of the box. This will also require the radiator and fan to be mounted in the front grille, vertically for the Elf or horizontally for a normal mini grille.

I chose the CALB 6P2S for their voltage as the motor is 400V and this set up gives the most voltage over the LG version or the 4P3S CALB.

There will be a further 4 or 5 modules in another battery box in the rear subframe. This will require strengthening of the rear subframe and also the boot floor panel to be cut out and a flat panel to be welded in to remove the 12V battery box and spare wheel well. Potential to use a modified mini van rear floor panel.

This means that I should have total battery energy capacity of 26.6 kWh and a nominal voltage of 266.4V.

The controller, DC/DC converter are yet to be decided. I have found the Cascadia PM100DX for an inverter but am open to other options as the costs are starting to escalate by this point. They, along with the charger will be hidden in a fake fuel tank in the boot, this will allow for all them to be located directly underneath the filler neck.

I am looking at the potential of using two Tesla gen 2 charger to give a fast charging capacity of 20 kW. I don't currently have a place to park and charge the mini so would most likely be doing street charging hence the need to be able to charge quicker.

All connections from front to rear will be via exhaust tunnel so no HV inside the cabin.

I think additional weight / balance should not be too affected as the rear weight is over the wheels and nice and low. The front battery box (96 kg) and motor (50 kg) are not much more than the presumed weight of the a series & gearbox.

So what do you guys think? Any advice about this setup would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Jon

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Trevadactyl

Discussion Starter · #3 · Mar 31, 2021

Hi Brian thanks very much for your feedback and yeah that was a typo.

I wasn't aware that the inverter to motor distance was a factor but I do also have my doubts about fitting all those components in the fuel tank area so I will look at relocating the inverter up front.

Out of interest what is the reason for them needing to be close together?

Swindon offer the PM100DX as an add on option but theirs is mounted to the side of their add on battery box which has a capacity of 12 kWh and costs a whopping £16k. Also with the current layout of the CALB modules I don't think there is going to be room for me to mount the inverter on the side without fouling the wheel arch. I think there is potential above the subframe mounts along the bulkhead but its just guesswork without a 3D model to play around with.

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Trevadactyl

Discussion Starter · #11 · Apr 4, 2021

Hi Duncan, just want to say I'm not having a go at your suggestion, but that it doesn't fit my project design criteria. I have come across the beam axle when researching for this project. It's not the path I want to be going down as it is only really intended for extreme weight loss for track and fast road minis to take as much weight out of the rear to get lift off over steer in the corners, creating a "skittish" handling characteristic. I am not going to be using my Elf on the track, its mainly going to be used for short city trips or the occasional weekend getaway/blast/car show. This mean that I don't really need anymore than the 22kW of batteries. Zero EV get around 100 miles out of their 26kW pack in their MX5 so I should get around 120 miles in the lighter mini with 22kW. The 'wasted battery space' is actually unnecessary additional weight and the subframe is needed to support the battery box.

I have changed my mind on the charger set up after seeing the new 'Tech talk with Chris' video from Zero EV.

these videos along with their MX-5 build have been invaluable for me as a novice. I will be using CCS and a 3.3kW charger, this will allow for normal charging of around 7 hours or rapid charging of around 30 minutes. This also means I'll be going with Orion BMS.

Hi Tremelune, I think that the hyper 9 Honda combo sacrifices to much space in the engine bay that can accommodate batteries. I also have no need for the extra power of the Hyper 9, the Swind is still giving more than double torque and 1.5x the hp. Also goes back to my point about it being predominately a city car. The CALB modules were chosen to get me up towards the 400V of the motor and also because the are able to be arranged in lots of different orientations. I have also heard that they're industry standard size meaning future replacements should be a straight swap.

Hi pickmeup, as the mini boot floor normally rusts away I'm hoping that it won't need an IVA if I'm replacing it anyway during the conversion.

Thanks everyone for your feedback

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Trevadactyl

Discussion Starter · #16 · Apr 13, 2021

OK I see, sorry Duncan I understand now, so would roughly gain the width of the rubber cones on either side for more batteries. Seems like a decent possibility but it does provide less mounting points for the battery box. Thanks for clearing up Brian.

Boatman, I haven't spoke to them yet, my project is nowhere near that stage but any information you can share is always welcome. As I mentioned right a the top I don't see why the layout wouldn't work in a standard mini instead of an elf.

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