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hi all!! i know that most of you are from US,

as far as it looks, register a ev conversion in US is pretty simple..

in EU for sure is not simple neither cheap.

in my country is simply impossible (italy) there is some idiotic regulamentation to make it very easy... but it's absolutely quite the opposite.

i thought make the car bring it to uk register than importing back to italy would be the best to do it... but.. can't be done because my country wont accept it (a friend of mine tried for 2 years), uk will also be out of europe in March so no good anyway.

there is any other country in EU where i can bring my car to get a legal road registration? thanks
 

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Thank you very much sir for your input.

Croatia is near.. I always struggle with the most of the EU country for the language barrier... But is good to know and I will look into it indepth
 

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There is a reason they called it the E-U(nion) meaning all members have to apply to the same rules. So it makes no difference getting it registered in a somewhat doggy member state and then trying to reregister it in one of the others. It wont work.
 

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There is a reason they called it the E-U(nion) meaning all members have to apply to the same rules. So it makes no difference getting it registered in a somewhat doggy member state and then trying to reregister it in one of the others. It wont work.

this means that my country which is in the eu doesn't apply at eu rules,
because in italy i cant build diy ev conversion than register the car as road legal.

at least the mutual recognition should work... but with Uk i have proof that doent' work...

i would like just to know why

in many other country this can be done! why not in mine! this is crazy!

this is totally unfair.
 

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They probably use some local/national approval which is not according EU regulations. So it could work locally but other memberstates dont have to allow it at all. Unless it is an EU-wide approval which a DIY modification never is.


UK has what is called SVA (Single Vehicle Approval) which is a specific UK national thing and not according EU rules.
So other member states like NL, DE, BE, FR dont allow these vehicles and they dont have to.
The only option is to find out if your country hase something similar national signle vehicle approval but then again you still have to apply to ECE100 rules etc.
 

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Exactly... And this basically mean that can't be done......i mean in real life..
I'm talking about doubling the cost of actually build the car with taxes and tests and other fees
 

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I manage to reach somebody in my country for this topic.. Monday we will give me some price for the burocratic part. I will let you know in case other people will ask the same question
 

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I manage to reach somebody in my country for this topic.. Monday we will give me some price for the burocratic part. I will let you know in case other people will ask the same question
Hi, it is easier to find countries which not allow a conversion.
The problem is however that local authorities are not familiar with the process and they prefer to say no instead of reading through the rules. The other problem is that they have to have an inspection like TUV in Germany which can make the necessary tests for approval (if required).
Here is a video from Germany which documents the process very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnoH_QdXSyo

This thread tackles also the question
https://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums...i-90330p2.html

and in it are some links which are out of date but you can find the regulations on the internet.

Look especially at
ISO 6469 (General safety for EV)
ISO 7637 (12-24 V system),
ISO 11451 (Part1-4) Immunity of passenger cars and commercial vehicles to electrical disturbances
ISO 11452 Measuring and testing of 11451 , very important (http://www.ets-lindgren.com/pdf/Auto...EMCTesting.pdf)
ISO 14572 (Shielding of cables at different voltages)
ISO 16750 (Part1-2) Effects on environment

Concentrate on the emission part, the immunity is more relevant for certified EV OEM-products
(the immunity of existing 12v system must though be maintained)
 

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I manage to reach somebody in my country for this topic.. Monday we will give me some price for the burocratic part. I will let you know in case other people will ask the same question
Hi guys...

just a few years later, I'm facing the very same problems...

Does your research come to an happy end?? Did you manege to find a way to register you DIY converted car in Italy?? (or, at least, registered in another country and then approved in Italy???)

Actually, this is the only issue than stop me from converting my old Fiat 500...
 

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Until a couple of years ago I was really convinced to live in a country (Germany) in which literally everything is way over-regulated. I had to learn, however, that e.g. working with authorities in Spain is nothing but a pain. I am fine meanwhile with my situation here, there is a certain legal reliability.

At my place there is a little shop whose owner has experience with the paperwork of imported cars and how to give them German papers. And he has very good connections to the TÜV who must give the technical approval. In fact, I had to drive 5km only to get my converted E-Mini checked and approved!

I don't know if it is an option to You to register the car in Germany and to re-import it back to Italy. And it would be Your part to make sure that Italian authorities will accept that. (After all, we are all Europeans, aren't we?) I assume there will be considerable cost (transport, fees, taxes, ...?) and time consumed.
But we could try...
Markus
 

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Thanks a lot Markus for your information, finally a little hope to reach the result!!
I have to admit, I was about to give up with my project...

In fact, seems like in Italy the ONLY way it to buy a conversion kit, which is produced by only one company at a ridicolous high price... (this is the result of the "retrofit Law" of 2015 which should have opened the market... good job).

Also, online I couldn't find any first hand news from people who actually converted their cars, only reported new from some very generic websites...

That's why your post is OXYGEN for my project!!!

Of course I would have to register the original car in Germany (and the other way back in Italy); but this looks like a more ordinary paperwork; I expect a cost in the order of hundreds of €...

I'm much more courious about the TUV approval itself!!!
Did they ask for some additional tests? for example the electromagnetic compatibility??
The components needed to be already TUV approved or any CE marked component are ok??
And finally... how was the final cost...

to me, at the moment this is the only way... so if you could help me out with some more info you would make me extremely happy =)))

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Hi Stefano,
makes me happy if I can help.

I took motor, controller and DC/DC from a Th!nk and installed it into the Mini. There are some Th!nk s already registered in Germany, and I had a copy of the papers of one with me, which gave the TÜV-engineer some confidence and many data (after all, it is the papers which make things possible, more than the engineering). Battery (made from ~1500 cells (18650) and charger were new, no documentation (apart from cell's data sheet).

Keep the weight (max. for each axle) and the max. power within the values as stated in the documents.

If You have a copy of registration documents from a Fiat 500 registered in Germany, great.

Make it "nice": cables in protective hoses (high-voltage in orange ones), no open contacts, everything safely fixed, ... . The TÜV-engineer is a human being, and there is technical and optical aspect he will judge and (hopefully) approve.

We have a regulation in Germany, where the "electromagnetic compatibility test (EMV)" can be skipped when the vehicle's first registration date is before 17.06.2003. As You see, I am writing "can": this means it is up to the TÜV-engineer's responsibility. Should he insist in the EMV, you can go to another TÜV-shop. You can clarify this in advance. CE-certification of all components will help anyway, of course. (EMV test is VERY expensive.) As far as I know this regulation is still valid (I hope so, I will need it for my current Mini#2 conversion).


My conversion was approved in April 2019.
Cost for TÜV was ~ €600,-- if I remember well. This included not only the conversion review but also the judgement of the whole car (it had been off the road for many years, and a lot of further modifications had to be documented). Registration was another ~€150,--.

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Sounds like A LOT of good news...

again, thank you so so much fro your first hand information, veeeery precious!

The compenents of my project will be:

Motor: HPEVS, which is a popular US company; this is the component I'm more scared about since it doesn't have any CE certification; but lots of other documentation.
Motor Controller: CURTIS, which is a US company but provides CE certificates,
Batteriy Pack: PELV or EVE, which are Chinese companies but provide CE and also TUV certification

With this settings I' confident I can keep the max power under control (by limiting the current output of the controller) and the weight per axle.

For sure, I will take the maximum care on the order and the protection of the wiring; this is for sure a very good hint!

Also the final cost looks extremely affordable, even if I can easily double or triple it for the vehicle registration in Germany and back again in Italy.
(but this is nothing compared the cost of the Italian conversion kit, which is 15.000 € without batteris =(((

Did you have to purchase a temporary assurance for the test drive? I was thinking about loading my little car on a small truck or to tow it to Germany, so that it will never drive "alone"...

Another important thing: the document released by TUV should me somehow similar or equivalent to the European COC (coertification of Conformity);
did they give you a similar paper in your last conversion?? Sadly, it will be needed when regester back the car in Italy...

As I said already many times... THANKS!!

Stefano
 

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Hi,
as the TÜV-procedure had been done via the a.m. shop, there was no need to apply for a temporary insurance (and number plates) as the shop has a "universal" insurance (and plates) for such cases. So every € I paid for that shop was a good invest, as it made life so much easier. The owner is a cool and very friendly guy, by the way.
I do not know if the assessment report will suit the Italian authorities. It is more or less an exact list of the parameters which were later copied into the registration documents, together with a statement that confirms conformity with all applicable (German) paragraphs. It is in German language.

I think it is more likely that once the car has been officially registered/insured/incl. plates at one place in the EU, your authorities in Italy cannot refuse to accept it, when moved from one place (EU) to another place (EU).
This is an assumption, no certainty.
Markus
 

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I collect some more information and it seems you are right.
I got in touch with an Italian private office-garage who offers the service of homologation by German TUV: the whole operation is pretty expensive:

  • Registration of the original car on the German register + German Plates + TUV homologation 2.800 €
  • Conversion of the German registration in the Italian register 1.500 €

Looks much different from your experience... =(((

Just to evaluate all the possibilities, does the guy from the shop you mentioned speaks English?? Since I have to trail the car until Germany, if I can find some help, I don't mind to drive some more km!
 

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Hi,
as the TÜV-procedure had been done via the a.m. shop, there was no need to apply for a temporary insurance (and number plates) as the shop has a "universal" insurance (and plates) for such cases. So every € I paid for that shop was a good invest, as it made life so much easier. The owner is a cool and very friendly guy, by the way.
I do not know if the assessment report will suit the Italian authorities. It is more or less an exact list of the parameters which were later copied into the registration documents, together with a statement that confirms conformity with all applicable (German) paragraphs. It is in German language.

I think it is more likely that once the car has been officially registered/insured/incl. plates at one place in the EU, your authorities in Italy cannot refuse to accept it, when moved from one place (EU) to another place (EU).
This is an assumption, no certainty.
Markus
Hi Markus,

Can you please let us know the name and contact of the TUV shop that you used for your conversion?

Thank you

Gaspar
 
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