[drivin98]

Swigz Pro Racing is unveiling their bike at The Battery Show this October. Still blacked-out in the pictures available now is a KERS system set up on the front wheel.

With 194 horsepower and 295 lb ft of torque, other TTXGP teams better get busy or get used to looking at the back of this thing.

Motor and controller are both UQM liquid-cooled units. Battery supplier not named yet but given where the unveiling is happening, I think they have someone in mind.

 

[major]

other TTXGP teams better get busy or get used to looking at the back of this thing.

Not sure what you mean by "other" TTXGP teams. I don't see any of these bikes on the grid. But by all means, bring it on

Regards,

#80

 

[drivin98]

By "other" TTXGP teams, I mainly meant those who spent the season running behind you ,if by #80, you are part of the Lightning Motors team. Though, I hope you can buff up the banana (so to speak) a bit in the off-season as well.

 

[major]

By "other" TTXGP teams, I mainly meant those who spent the season running behind you ,if by #80, you are part of the Lightning Motors team. Though, I hope you can buff up the banana (so to speak) a bit in the off-season as well.

Hey driv,

Yeah, I don't know anything about Swigz. Thanks for the link. I'm not kidding about "bring it on". TTXGP really needs more competitors on the grid. And the faster the better. Wouldn't mind seeing 25 or 30 bikes

And we buffed it up to 176. http://1racingsource.com/racing/lightning-motors-sets-electric-lsr-at-bonneville/

Regards,

major

 

[2cycle]

By "other" TTXGP teams, I mainly meant those who spent the season running behind you ,if by #80, you are part of the Lightning Motors team. Though, I hope you can buff up the banana (so to speak) a bit in the off-season as well.

That's pretty cocky typing about an unproven bike. I really hope it does pan out because that would be a very fast bike that even an ICE head like me can appreciate. But I must admit I am very skeptical about the hp figures your throwing around for the amount of battery volume on board.
What would really impress me is a price tag of less than $50K. Any investor/company with deep pockets can build 1-offs that are unobtainable to the public. In racing that's called an engineering exercise, they are meant to explore the outer edge of current tech without thought about cost and/or reproduction. There is only one form of racing that operates or allows stuff like that and that's F-1. I bet the lightning team would have a different bike of they had a $400K budget. I personally believe these TTXGP bikes should have a spec suspension using only commercially available parts to keep cost down. Make the focus about the motor and drive trains for now and see where it goes. Once you can get about 50 entries per event then make an unlimited class for the rich guys to get puffed up about.

 

[drivin98]

Perhaps a little cocky, but the team member's experience gives me some amount of confidence. There is also a possibility it's over-complicated , which could lead to unreliability but it all remains to be seen.

As far as I can tell the Swigz team isn't planning on producing a bike for sale, rather, they want to patent and license tech they invent along the way. Their goal is to produce a bike with performance equal to a 600cc race bike which is, of course, prett tough. They say they didn't race this year because the Headway's they were going to put into it couldn't give them the numbers their hardware is supposed to be capable of.

There is supposed to be a spec class in TTXGP but I don't know what the parameters are. You can probably find out more about it here. http://www.egrandprix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Not sure how rich any of the current TTXGP teams are. Swigz has been fortunate to get a lot of sponsors and that's helped them a lot. Think the existing teams have done pretty damn good with what they've got. Lightning, of course, but Electra and Electric Race Bikes also.

Motoczysz probably has the best budget in the electric motorcycle space and since their deal with Remy, it's probably only going to get better. Too bad he doesn't compete in the TTXGP.

 

[major]

There is also a possibility it's over-complicated ,

Looks pretty complex to me

 

[drivin98]

Looks pretty complex to me

Here's a more recent photo. And an explanation of their KERS. Which is pretty cool. http://green.autoblog.com/2010/10/24/chip-yates-reveals-kers-secret-of-swigz-superbike-w-video/

 

[JRP3]

That KERS system sounds complex, heavy, and I think they are over estimating the amount of KWH that will be returned to the pack for range extension. However it does look to be a competitive bike.

 

[major]

Here's a more recent photo.

Thanks drivin,

Kinda liked the old styling though

And an explanation of their KERS. Which is pretty cool. [URL="http://green.autoblog.com/2010/10/24/chip-yates-reveals-kers-secret-of-swigz-superbike-w-video/"]http://green.autoblog.com/2010/10/24/chip-yates-reveals-kers-secret-of-swigz-superbike-w-video[URL="http://green.autoblog.com/2010/10/24/chip-yates-reveals-kers-secret-of-swigz-superbike-w-video/"]/[/URL][/URL]

Still trying to figure where the battery is I hope to get a chance to run against this guy. And when I watched that vid, I thought it was running at the end there, but on closer look see a tailpipe on that bike. I wonder if he has had it on the track yet.

major

 

[efan]

Still trying to figure where the battery is

on this video they show the battery under the seat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cndBZNEt8Vw&feature=related
hey major, are there any detailed interesting videos of the bike you work on?

 

[JRP3]

Batteries are under the tank and under/behind the seat. Looking at the KERS system I'd say the original "blackout" picture of the front end was simply a bit of hype marketing. The workings of the system cannot be guessed at from looking at it.

 

[drivin98]

Thanks drivin,

Kinda liked the old styling though



Still trying to figure where the battery is I hope to get a chance to run against this guy. And when I watched that vid, I thought it was running at the end there, but on closer look see a tailpipe on that bike. I wonder if he has had it on the track yet.

major

I believe the batteries have been selected but not yet installed. Originally, Headway packs were ahead of the motor, beneath it and in the tailstock.
I don't think they should have included the gas bike footage but I think it was meant to reflect his racing experience .

 

[RIPPERTON]

Sorry but those dyno runs are done with off board mains power.
theres no way they could fit that amount of battery power under the tank and seat.
plus what was that chain running up under that tank.
Thats even less room for batteries.
calling hoax on Chip Yates

 

[JRP3]

That's a pretty elaborate and expensive hoax. The chain and sprocket near the bottom of the tank is part of their KERS system I believe. They may have been running on mains for the test but that doesn't mean it's a hoax.

 

[drivin98]

Sorry but those dyno runs are done with off board mains power.
theres no way they could fit that amount of battery power under the tank and seat.
plus what was that chain running up under that tank.
Thats even less room for batteries.
calling hoax on Chip Yates

I believe I read that the bike is being powered by the Headways pack although it's not installed in the bike.

 

[RIPPERTON]

I believe I read that the bike is being powered by the Headways pack although it's not installed in the bike.

Yup thats because a Headway pack that can put out THAT kind of amperage will not physically fit on the bike. Your looking at least 150kg of 8Ah cells.
Hitch up a trailer behind the bike for that kind mass.

Whats the point of making a bike that does great dyno runs but will never be ridden as an electric bike. its just a pose.

 

[major]

hey major, are there any detailed interesting videos of the bike you work on?

No video except those of the races already posted elsewhere. Here's a photo with the tank off. She's pretty well loaded to the hilt

 

[RIPPERTON]

is that the same bike is it ??

 

[major]

is that the same bike is it ??

#80 is the Lightning entry in the TTXGP this past season which won that series. Swigz thinks he can beat us next year

Confusing Both yellow I guess If you look back at the past few pages of the bike forum you will see a number of threads by me reporting on our races.

major