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Just read both of those
Same applies - arseholes who don't know anything about finance engineering or quality

People who have never actually done any manufacturing work don't understand the difference between the first few months and a stable operation

Even when You have been operating for a couple of years and you have a six monthly change cycle the quality report looks like a sawtooth

As far as the workers "let go" - about 2% - I am amazed that is as low as that - in an expanding company if I only had 2% duds I would be looking for the catch
 

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The words "fool" and "job half done" pop up in my mind as in
"Don't show a fool ... "

when I see the content of the links.
 

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If a VP leaves after 11 years I am not at all surprised -11 years is a long time in one job
Very very few people do 11 years in one job
 

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Dad told me about a E.B. welding line for car frames that would skip part of the weld , it was intermittent problem not stopping the production but caused a high scrap rate. They brought in PHD's spent months trying to find the problem . So dad sits down and watches the convayer drive chain took a long time but when the right spot on the chain hit a certain tooth it would skip or jump.
On a production floor everything moves fast it's hard to slow down and observe and think the problem trough .
On a job I was on we were building a 4" wide fire door covered with glass it weighed 800 lbs. the hinges were to light, over a month and $50=80,000
This type of thing must be going on X100
" Car experts and stock bean counters "don't understand this.
It takes critical thinking, a very rare commodity
Just saw that big solar projects are selling power at $.ooo4/Kwh thats $.40 per megawatt (3ed world wages)
 

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Just saw that big solar projects are selling power at $.ooo4/Kwh thats $.40 per megawatt (3ed world wages)
I dont know where you saw that figure, but you should recheck.
Lowest Solar "bid" prices i have seen are in the range of $0.02 /kWh..($20.0 /MWh)..
But that is only a "bid" price to win a supply contract, and does not represent the actual cost to produce the power ..which will be much higher,..nearer $100 /MWh . Generators bid to win contracts to sell some power at a loss , knowing that it will give them access to the market to sell more power at much higher "peak " prices ( $1000+ /MWh ) , to offset their bid price losses.
 

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Just saw that big solar projects are selling power at $.ooo4/Kwh thats $.40 per megawatt (3ed world wages)
Cheapest electricity on the planet is Mexican wind with a bid price 1.77¢/kWh (see here).

Cheapest solar electricity is in Saudi Arabia with a bid price 1.79¢/kWh (see here).
 

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The prices that I listed if correct would coincide with the $.05/watt solar panels reported by Jack on EVTV. which comes to $50.00/Kwh, at our Ca. price of about $.30/Kwh a ROR of 150 full sun hour on just the panels.
 

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There is no way you can source new, quality , PV panels at $0.05/W....no matter who you are, or where you buy from, or in any quantity.
Pre-used, defective, damaged, stolen, ..maybe, but not from a genuine supplier.
PV prices are tracked in many places, some reliable , some not so much, some not showing real wholesale cost without rebates or discounts applied.
Installed costs (100KW) are currently at around $1.5 - $2.0/W before any rebates or tax concessions are applied, and have changed very little over the past 12 months. Infact they have increased 10% since 2015 , due to the variability of the supply/demand situation.
In reality even these prices are a false picture as they do not reflect the Capacity Factor (0.15 - 0.25) or the additional storage costs needed to provide a continuous supply. ( another $50.0 - $100.0 /MWh)
Further, whilst i know i can get a domestic solar system installed for $2.0/W , i find it very hard to believe that a large commercial system can be installed at the same cost/W ...let alone significantly less !
I have some experience in commercial/ industrial purchacing, and i have never met a situation where the commercially contracted installation has been cheaper than a private domestic one for a similar product. ( anything...a light fitting, a plumbing addition, a building construction, etc etc !)
 

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There is no way you can source new, quality , PV panels at $0.05/W....no matter who you are, or where you buy from, or in any quantity.
Pre-used, defective, damaged, stolen, ..maybe, but not from a genuine supplier.
PV prices are tracked in many places, some reliable , some not so much, some not showing real wholesale cost without rebates or discounts applied.
Installed costs (100KW) are currently at around $1.5 - $2.0/W before any rebates or tax concessions are applied, and have changed very little over the past 12 months. Infact they have increased 10% since 2015 , due to the variability of the supply/demand situation.
In reality even these prices are a false picture as they do not reflect the Capacity Factor (0.15 - 0.25) or the additional storage costs needed to provide a continuous supply. ( another $50.0 - $100.0 /MWh)
Further, whilst i know i can get a domestic solar system installed for $2.0/W , i find it very hard to believe that a large commercial system can be installed at the same cost/W ...let alone significantly less !
I have some experience in commercial/ industrial purchacing, and i have never met a situation where the commercially contracted installation has been cheaper than a private domestic one for a similar product. ( anything...a light fitting, a plumbing addition, a building construction, etc etc !)
Utter total nonsense

I'm in New Zealand - NOT a place for cheap stuff !!!

But two years ago I PAID - less than your $1,50 for my system - all in professionally installed

If I had wanted to buy a single pallet - just one I could have halved that price

And if you think that people who are buying commercial quantities are not getting much better deals then I have a bridge to sell you

My "example" of the ratio between an individual cost and a "commercial cost"

If you want to buy a 6BTAA Cummins engine like the Dodge Ram one it will cost you over $20K
Chrysler pay less than $2K

As far as the installation then also rubbish - my system cost far too much to install as the electrician was learning
He could have installed ten times as many panels in about twice the time and if he was setting up to do that commercially it would be a LOT cheaper doing large scale solar farms than having to climb on individual roofs

Saying that $0,05/W - is probably a stretch too far!
 

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You must have scored a very special deal Duncan.
NZ solar prices are more than double the equivalent Oz costs (we get big rebates) and just skimming a couple of "special offers" for NZ , you would be paying $2-$3/W today for a 5kW domestic install .!
https://www.mysolarquotes.co.nz/about-solar-power/residential/how-much-does-a-solar-power-system-cost/
I know a wholesaler can source panels at $0.5 - $1.0W, so that would suggest the majority of the cost is in the "installation"...( mounting, inverters , wiring, labour, delivery etc etc). None of that is going to be cheaper for a utility scale solar facility with typically tracking mounts to install, infrastructure to build, not to mention the HV equipment needed, site costs, and contract workers on some remote site for months .
I stand by my point that utility/commercial projects are much more costly $/W, than small scale domestic systems, installed in a day by a local tradie and his apprentice.. ..(in the same country)
 
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