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Tesla P3D More Power!

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Long time member here, I remember back when Mate Rimac was just one of us and not an EV Supercar CEO.

I always have and still want to work on a DIY EV project but was taken by the performance and value of the model 3 performance, so i bought one.

However I would like to get this community's opinions, advice and guidance on increasing the performance of the P3D.

I had a few ideas and once you deem me crazy I would be interested to hear new ideas from you all.

(1) install an independently powered and controlled 3rd motor (Tesla model s front motor) on to a 5th wheel that would make contact to the road under/within the rear trunk.

(2) install an independently powered and controlled 3rd motor (Tesla model s front motor) to the rear of the model 3 and connect the inner cv axles of the oem rear motor and 3rd motor with a belt or chain, on both sides of course, to couple the oem rear motor and 3rd motor together.

(3) install hub motors at the output of the tesla oem motor gearbox and get custom shorter cv shafts made.

I do realize that all the options represent a lot of work and would require material amounts of customization, i guess i am wondering if they are even possible from an engineering and reliability perspective.

Is there another more obvious option I am missing?

Advice?
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my thoughts on what you are suggesting

(1) install an independently powered and controlled 3rd motor (Tesla model s front motor) on to a 5th wheel that would make contact to the road under/within the rear trunk.
The basics on why this is not a good idea was already covered by Duncan. I would add that the addition of the complexity of introducing the wheel and mechanisms to hold it makes this idea not very good for your purpose of increasing performance

(2) install an independently powered and controlled 3rd motor (Tesla model s front motor) to the rear of the model 3 and connect the inner cv axles of the oem rear motor and 3rd motor with a belt or chain, on both sides of course, to couple the oem rear motor and 3rd motor together.
This may help improve performance in theory. However, you need to watch out for a few things:
1) load capability of the differential. Can it handle the torque/power from 2 motors?
2) traction capability of the tyres. Can it handle the torque from 2 motors, or will it just start spinning from the additional torque. (at higher speeds I guess it may be better, but from standstill this issue will be there)
3) is the belt connecting both motors able to withstand the torque of the motor and not just snap?

(3) install hub motors at the output of the tesla oem motor gearbox and get custom shorter cv shafts made.
Among your 3 ideas, my opinion is this might be the best one (least amount of work required with decent performance gain, but slightly complex on the electrical side due to different voltage of the model 3 motor and hub motor). Still agree with Duncan that other options like lightweight-ing the car is better.

This concept is similar to what Koenigsegg is doing with the Regera/Gemera rear drivetrain. however for you, instead of using an ICE engine, you're using the Model 3's motor.

This is slightly more expensive on the motor side, because hub motors are fairly expensive for the power they provide. a cheap one used on bicycles will only give you single digit kW. you can go a bit higher to get those used on scooters/bikes, but the size (thickness) gets bigger and may affect the car's handling performance with the shorter CV axles.

The money-no-issue option is to use the same pancake motors as Koenigsegg (Yasa, or other brands) which are super thin and provide lots of power (>200kW each).
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