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Hello to all and thanks for allowing me to fufill my wants to try and make a positive impact on earth that we all share...here is what i wanna know.....I want to make an electric car with the following specs

Goes about 200 miles
top speed of 100 miles an hour (maybe)


not many want's but here is what i am trying to do. I will buy a flood damaged car (not too bad but enough to get the shell) and then convert it. i need help and advice i really want to do this
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aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now that's smart...that is what i am going to do...as u said that way i can know for sure what to do......so if that's the case then i need to get a nice one to do....and also i think 130 to 150 miles to the charge is good enough distance
Since range is a big part of what you are after, I thought I might share the common formula that people use to calculate range and pack size. I do not know how accurate it is, but a lot of people use it for a rough idea. Take the completed weight estimate of your build and figure out what 10% of that is, as in 3000 pounds is 300. This figure is typically how many watts hours per mile your car will use. If you multply that by the number of miles you want for your range, you can see roughly what your pack size needs to be. Remember that you can only use about 75% of your pack without hurting you cells, so you will still need to oversize the pack to compensate for this.
I actually drive about 50 miles a day (so i think) but i want it to be a complete package. If i am going to do this full time then I will have to make it appealing to all and make them see that they can have their cake and eat it too WITHOUT spending 100,000 on it. I am still researching a car to choose, I am beginning to lean towards a hybrid car and then gut the engine and such. wouldn't you think that would be easier to do....cars on the list for that is


Hyundai Sonata Hybrid
Kia Optima Hybrid
Since range is a big part of what you are after, I thought I might share the common formula that people use to calculate range and pack size. I do not know how accurate it is, but a lot of people use it for a rough idea. Take the completed weight estimate of your build and figure out what 10% of that is, as in 3000 pounds is 300. This figure is typically how many watts hours per mile your car will use. If you multply that by the number of miles you want for your range, you can see roughly what your pack size needs to be. Remember that you can only use about 75% of your pack without hurting you cells, so you will still need to oversize the pack to compensate for this.
Yup, then you'll need to figure if you can actually fit that size pack in the vehicle without loosing too much if any space that a customer may want or need and without having it hang out the bottom looking ugly.
I actually drive about 50 miles a day (so i think) but i want it to be a complete package. If i am going to do this full time then I will have to make it appealing to all and make them see that they can have their cake and eat it too WITHOUT spending 100,000 on it. I am still researching a car to choose, I am beginning to lean towards a hybrid car and then gut the engine and such. wouldn't you think that would be easier to do....cars on the list for that is


Hyundai Sonata Hybrid
Kia Optima Hybrid
Why would you do that? Its way more expensive to buy a hybrid then gut it to build an electric. The electrics in those are connected to the engine. They are not electric only vehicles really. Start with an Optima or Sonata but not a hybrid.

As for the Optima, the 2013 and 14 look great. The others not so much. still pretty new and expensive but cheaper than the Hybrid version.

I'd say start more practical and small. EVMETRO has done two or working on number two totally custom show electric Metro. The work he has done should guarantee his success. I'd rather have him do work on my car. He has an eye for detail and won't give you junk. This is how you need to come at it. You need to go through all his posts about his car and see his work. Ive seen it personally and his work is top notch. If you don't model your business like this then it may not go so far. He has set the bar quite high and its the only way to go. The type of vehicle is not the issue. The work is.
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You may consider starting with a lightweight kit car. This could be the test bed for your luxury versions and simplify the build. They have more advantages because you are starting with a vehicle that has more options for component placement. Vintage Spyders has a 550 Porsche Spyder that weighs only 1300lbs. ready to drive with an owner installed VW drivetrain. You could build this car weighing less than 1500lbs.

www.vintagespyders.com


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Check the photos of this Spyder Build years ago before the advent of Lithium.
http://www.ohler.com/ev/spyder/history.html

Check the little video and all the photos. I have the same motor in my Bug.

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Looks like a Thunder Ranch chassis.
I have designed an all metal aluminum foam panel monocoque chassis, with 8mm panel thickness, to replace the tubular space frame chassis.
The complete chassis will only weigh 200lbs. and have 10 times the torsional rigidity of the tubular chassis.
The front suspension will have coil-over A-arms.
You may consider starting with a lightweight kit car. This could be the test bed for your luxury versions and simplify the build. They have more advantages because you are starting with a vehicle that has more options for component placement. Vintage Spyders has a 550 Porsche Spyder that weighs only 1300lbs. ready to drive with an owner installed VW drivetrain. You could build this car weighing less than 2500lbs.

www.vintagespyders.com
Why would it weigh 2500lbs? - if it weighs 1300lbs in IC format I would hope to see it as an EV at a similar weight
Sorry.
My bad typo.
Should be 1500lbs.
Looks like a Thunder Ranch chassis.
I have designed an all metal aluminum foam panel monocoque chassis, with 8mm panel thickness, to replace the tubular space frame chassis.
The complete chassis will only weigh 200lbs. and have 10 times the torsional rigidity of the tubular chassis.
The front suspension will have coil-over A-arms.
Yes, its a Thunder Ranch Chassis and Body. It was modified by Thunder Ranch specific for the electric build.
I AM so loving the feedback and ideas i am getting from you guys.....I am still unsure on what car i will use but i do KNOW that it is gonna be a luxury car...the reason being is that it's has to be a car that has the benefits and WOW factor but without the engine problems.....i wanna make this a business as i see the true potential for this.....I have made a narrow list of what i am going to settle for as far as shell of the car.
but again the help that i really need is where do i start in order to find the battery and the motor to support this car that i will do...or should i pretty much lockdown which car i am going to do.....i am like a kid in a candy store...i am more excited than words can imagine
So what are your plans. Start writing them down. Don't just let that stuff wash around in your head. Get it down. Change as you go.

Even though your planning on doing a business you're conversion will pretty much be yours. So with that, you need to KNOW what YOU want and what your willing to live with. If you have never driven the car you are thinking about, you might think about doing that first. You'd hate to convert a car you find out you don't really like. Just because a car looks cool does not mean it drives cool. Check it out first.

Like old VW's. If you have never owned one and want one you better drive one for awhile if you can. They have a cool factor but they are not what you might think. I steer many away from VW's because if you don't know them you may actually hate them to drive on a daily basis. Newer modern cars can be the same. Some are just junky and feel cheap even though they may look cool. Be careful when choosing.

So what kind of car do you like? Ever Drive one? Ever Owned one?
Once you nail that down then you can decide on motor/controller.
Then batteries. This kinda goes with the choice so get a rough idea of actual interior room and under and around the engine compartment and where the old fuel tank would reside. Do you have the room for the size pack you may need. It may cause you to change step one.

Minor components are pretty much needed no matter what car you choose.

Car/Battery/Motor/Controller/DC DC/Heat/Air.
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if the words are a little jumbled up is because I'm using Google Voice to reply to you guys as soon as I receive one so that way you can see that I'm fully involved in really want to do this. Now as far as be going willy nilly I guess you could say I am but I am a person who knows car I've driven cars I'm 28 years of age and I really think I can make this a practical business for where I'm located which is in Louisiana now as far as the car is concern I would choose a luxury car as a top priority because the gate I want to be able to make this appealing to a lot of people so that they can see that they don't have to sacrifice style a luxury to be able to help save the planet so tonight I'm going to write down a list of the car that I would be willing to convert and I will also start looking and far as batteries motors and other components that I may need in order to make this a reality again I thank you guys so much in advance for taking the time to educate me and in return I will do whatever I can to add any kind of input to throw out this journ
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Luxury is a bit suggestive. Most any vehicle is Luxury compared to the old VW Bug. Lots of common cars have a lot of luxury items. What kind of Luxury Car? As you can see we are trying to wring out of you some specifics. Not that they will actually be what you use but something anyway. You have stuff clanking around in that brain. Well? How about a Cadillac Escalade that is all Electric. Now thats Luxury and Big and quite doable on a hefty budget. Thinking something like that? Or like this: http://www.evalbum.com/2817 or like this: http://www.evalbum.com/3661 or this: http://www.evalbum.com/3201

Hey, have you been pouring over the vehicles in the evalbum? http://www.evalbum.com

A bazillion ideas for you there.
i have been looking at all the cars that are on there and they ARE AWESOME and yes luxury is user defined. but the way i have narrowed it down to three categories

Luxury Cars
Muscle Cars
Economical Cars


now my definition of each one will vary from person to person but i will give u a example

Luxury Car: Mercedes CLS
Muscle Car: Ford Mustang or Dodge Challenger
Economical: Toyota Camry or VW CC


I am really trying to home in my thoughts so that they can be reality...i am writing down and taking all the adivce i can.....I wanna make a difference and with my faith, ambition and your support, i believe i can do it. also as far as budget goes, i really dont have one but i wanna make sure that i can do it with no corners cut.
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Good. I'd actually put the VW CC into the luxury list. You ever been in one? I think not or you would have put it there. Nice car.

Anyway, good. Do you have a budget in mind?

Pete :)
I own one..2010 VW CC turbo.....which is why it's on the list....i love the car and that it's very practical or what i do...it's very fun for driving and also it's efficient.....I am really leaning on that car first. I would like to get another one and make that an electric one due to the fact that it has a HUGE trunk space and such
Now your talkin.



Or even a VW EOS

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