None of the non chinese manufactures of large format cells seem interested in having anything to do with the DIY market.
What are the alternatives to Chinese made batteries?
Any comments on batteries which are manufactured a bit closer to the U.S.?
Two reasons diverting my purchasing from Chinese manufacturer's:
Two reasons diverting my purchasing from Chinese manufacturer's:
- Logistics do not sound fun if I need to warranty product
- How much do they back the quality of their product? If I report cells which are failing, how much push back or 'dead lines' will I end up with?
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So it's volume orders or nothing? OK fine- is there a thread of preferred vendors that DIY recommends?None of the non chinese manufactures of large format cells seem interested in having anything to do with the DIY market.
This, and cost, is why im sticking to lead. Wal*Mart MAXX 29's to be exact. Bit of a monster, 125Ah each. They are every bit of their rating too. Mine are made my Johnson Controls. At 20Amps, i got 132Ah out of my test battery.
This, and cost, is why im sticking to lead. Wal*Mart MAXX 29's to be exact. Bit of a monster, 125Ah each. They are every bit of their rating too. Mine are made my Johnson Controls. At 20Amps, i got 132Ah out of my test battery.
This is sad, there are no more EV battery manufacturers in the U.S.A. anymore?
Is this a classic case of America outsourcing their way toward economical self destruct?
Oh well...
There are America, Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese, etc Lithium ion batteries out there being mass produced is sizes useful for EV's. The companies just don't seem to have any interest is selling them to anyone but the big players such as major auto manufacturers, power tool makers, electrical utilities, etc.
Take A123 and DOW/Kokam for example.
Take A123 and DOW/Kokam for example.
They are Chinese made but it doesn't require a volume order considering that there are multiple vendors, including ones that are sponsers on the right side of this page, that are advertising sales of various different cells such as Thunder Sky/Winston, Sky Energy/CALB. One of these Chinese manufacturers, CALB, is actually setting up their warehouse here(called CALIB Power) and selling in the states to consumers for $1.25/Ah for LiFePO4 cells without any volume order requirements.So it's volume orders or nothing? OK fine- is there a thread of preferred vendors that DIY recommends?
Good info, thanks!They are Chinese made but it doesn't require a volume order considering that there are multiple vendors, including ones that are sponsers on the right side of this page, that are advertising sales of various different cells such as Thunder Sky/Winston, Sky Energy/CALB. One of these Chinese manufacturers, CALB, is actually setting up their warehouse here(called CALIB Power) and selling in the states to consumers for $1.25/Ah for LiFePO4 cells without any volume order requirements.
Nah, it's not outsourcing that's the problem, it's the quick jump to a lawsuit that's ingrained in the American culture that's destroying our manufacturing sector. If a US manufacturer of batteries had a few buyers misuse them and catch their houses on fire, the company would go bankrupt just by trying to defend against a class action lawsuit, even if they end up winning.This is sad, there are no more EV battery manufacturers in the U.S.A. anymore?
Is this a classic case of America outsourcing their way toward economical self destruct?
Oh well...
Yep. Innovation is stifled in this country by TV lawyers for one and the other thing is greed, probably the more dominant factor. Product development wastes money, lowers stock value and takes money that could be used for dividends unfortunately but that's how corporate America rolls.
I have to disagree with this one.....Measured product development (R & D) is an absolutely critical and necessary part for success and sustained growth by any company.Product development wastes money, lowers stock value and takes money that could be used for dividends unfortunately but that's how corporate America rolls.
Not my thinking, American stock holders and corpororate thinking. General philosophy is that if a return can't be made on their investment in 3 years or so it's likely not to be implemented. Pressure by stock holders AND any bonuses paid will likely be less so they decide not to spend the money. Makes the bonuses more and stock holders smile at the bottom line. But that's another reason this country is in such trouble in manufacturing sector. Milking the cow until another company comes along with a better product etc, often it's a Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese company.I have to disagree with this one.....Measured product development (R & D) is an absolutely critical and necessary part for success and sustained growth by any company.
I have a large customer whom you know and they stop spending at quarter end to make their bonuses larger. It's not corporate policy, in fact corporate frowns on that but it happens every year it seems. Makes the stores put stuff on hold that will have to be done anyway. It's all about "me" with most executives unfortunately or the stock holders short sightedness, same thing there, "me".
Another very good point.Nah, it's not outsourcing that's the problem, it's the quick jump to a lawsuit that's ingrained in the American culture that's destroying our manufacturing sector. If a US manufacturer of batteries had a few buyers misuse them and catch their houses on fire, the company would go bankrupt just by trying to defend against a class action lawsuit, even if they end up winning.
Oh I see what you are saying. Ur referring to status quo. Yes, unfortunately so for the most part.Not my thinking, American stock holders and corpororate thinking. General philosophy is that if a return can't be made on their investment in 3 years or so it's likely not to be implemented. Pressure by stock holders AND any bonuses paid will likely be less so they decide not to spend the money. Makes the bonuses more and stock holders smile at the bottom line. But that's another reason this country is in such trouble in manufacturing sector. Milking the cow until another company comes along with a better product etc, often it's a Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese company.
I have a large customer whom you know and they stop spending at quarter end to make their bonuses larger. It's not corporate policy, in fact corporate frowns on that but it happens every year it seems. Makes the stores put stuff on hold that will have to be done anyway. It's all about "me" with most executives unfortunately or the stock holders short sightedness, same thing there, "me".
Are you saying the capitalist economic model is the problem and the communist model is preferred?Not my thinking, American stock holders and corpororate thinking. General philosophy is that if a return can't be made on their investment in 3 years or so it's likely not to be implemented. Pressure by stock holders AND any bonuses paid will likely be less so they decide not to spend the money. Makes the bonuses more and stock holders smile at the bottom line. But that's another reason this country is in such trouble in manufacturing sector. Milking the cow until another company comes along with a better product etc, often it's a Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese company.
I have a large customer whom you know and they stop spending at quarter end to make their bonuses larger. It's not corporate policy, in fact corporate frowns on that but it happens every year it seems. Makes the stores put stuff on hold that will have to be done anyway. It's all about "me" with most executives unfortunately or the stock holders short sightedness, same thing there, "me".
I don't think I mentioned capitalism nor communism. Just stating what I've seen over the last 30 years of working with and for corporations. Corporations today, obviously not all but many do just that. It's not the corporate board of directors per say but the CEO's and other high level managers. If the board is behind it then it's likely shareholder driven.
I wouldn't say capitalism is a problem. I would say short sighted business practices that favor short term profit over the long term health of the company are. This is true at the higher level management and by the stockholders.
Are you saying the capitalist economic model is the problem and the communist model is preferred?
We dont have a capitalistic economy any longer. This country (and others) is ruled by bankers and corporations, and they are stealing us blind.
Or should I say many are blind, thats why they are able to steal from us.
Roy
So big business greed practices to this day affect the limitations you and I have in our garages.
this is wacked!
this is wacked!
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